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Old 29th July 2020, 21:47   #151
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Some more snaps courtesy Defence Minister's Twitter.

The Rafales escorted by two Sukhoi Su-30MKIs after giving it an aerial welcome when they entered the Indian airspace:

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Chief of the Air Staff (second from left) with two of the pilots. The person in the center, a Group Captain was the commanding officer of this operation:

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I am generalising here: the world often mocks the French on all sorts of topics,
I think particular to the AngloAmerican world.

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They build the largest/most powerful steam engines at the time.
I thought the Americans built the powerful steam engines. A function of the distances to be covered quickly.

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They are one of the most experienced nations when it comes to nuclear/fusion technology.
You mean the ITER facility or something else?

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And are the first batch pilots for Rafale selected from Mirage 2000 squadrons because of the compatibility?
Not necessarily, it is never that simple.

A pilot, during his flying career, gets posted to different squadrons and gets to fly different aircraft types. Atleast one of the pilots who ferried the Rafales from France was a MiG-27 pilot before he was posted out to France for training on the Rafales. The Rafale CO in 2008, as a Sqdn Ldr, was awarded the Shaurya Chakra for calmly landing his MiG-21 Bison after an engine malfunction.

Many would know that the first Mirage 2000 sqdn of the IAF was No.7 "Battle Axes". Before being re-raised on the Mirage 2000, the Battle Axes were a MiG-21M squadron. The squadron was for a short while number plated and its assets and some personnel were transferred to a brand new squadron - No. 51.

The crew who were to form the core of the "Digital Delta" Battle Axes were from different squadron types and some of them went to France to ferry the Mirage 2000s. The First Mirage CO - Wg Cdr Bhavnani was a MiG-21M pilot, the Flight commanders and other pilots were from MiG-23MF and MiG-21 sqdns and atleast one pilot from the MiG-25 Sqdn(No. 102).

So the aircraft background hardly matters when it comes to getting posted to fly a new aircraft type. May be a couple of years down the line, the Rafale pilots will get posted to other squadrons equipped with a different fighter.
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I think particular to the AngloAmerican world.
One could say the level of contempt for the French might have a certain regional aspect to it

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I thought the Americans built the powerful steam engines. A function of the distances to be covered quickly.
American train engines (locomotives) are notoriously slow and inefficient. A bit like their trucks. They appear impressive and huge, but it is all a bit crude.


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You mean the ITER facility or something else?
ITER although an international initiative is very much pushed and lead by the French. The French are one of the few nations that relies heavily on nuclear power and has been investing into it for decades. They are also one of the few nations that have both enrichment as well as reprocessing capabilities. Some other countries make use of these French services too.

There are probably more scientist and engineers involved in nuclear programs in France than in any other nation. In absolute and relative terms. Of course, no idea what they are doing, as they all speak French.

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Received today through WhatsApp an interesting tit bit about an earlier ferry from France. Request SKanchan and Narayan Sir to validate.

The log-book of Gp Capt PVS Ram (retd) indicates they flew 12 stops including Karachi.

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The log-book of Gp Capt PVS Ram (retd) indicates they flew 12 stops including Karachi.
Coincidentally they flew over Pakistan again 12 years later but this time not to land, just drop bombs.
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Received today through WhatsApp an interesting tit bit about an earlier ferry from France. Request SKanchan and Narayan Sir to validate.

The log-book of Gp Capt PVS Ram (retd) indicates they flew 12 stops including Karachi.

L-R in overalls:
Mukherjee, Suri, Moolgavkar, PVS Ram
Just imagine how fatigued the pilots must have been after such a long and time consuming ferry!!! Those days and before Pakistan joined SEATO and CENTO, they were not as hostile as they were from the early 1960s onwards. IAF planes ferry could land at Pakistani airports. Similarly, PAF aircraft could overfly India and possibly land at Indian airports on their ferry flight to East Pakistan.

The pilot marked as Mukherjee, isn't he Suranjan Das, the legendary test pilot? He certainly had a big connection with the Ouragans(named Toofani in the IAF). Apart from the airvraft6 that were ferried by air, a large number of Ouragans(in dismantled form) were ferried from France to India on a French ship(a WW2 aircraft carrier if I remember correctly) to Bombay. There is a picture of it in one of the books I have.

These Ouragans were unloaded and taken to an allotted Santa Cruz airfield, which was the home of the Aircraft Erection Unit - the first such venture by IAF. Then Sqdn Ldr Suranjan Das commanded this unit and proceeded to test fly and clear each aircraft after assembly.
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Received today through WhatsApp an interesting tit bit about an earlier ferry from France. Request SKanchan and Narayan Sir to validate.

The log-book of Gp Capt PVS Ram (retd) indicates they flew 12 stops including Karachi.

L-R in overalls:
Mukherjee, Suri, Moolgavkar, PVS Ram
12 stages sounds about right. Allowing for head winds and reserves the Ouragan could fly a practical ferry of about 450nm at best. The persons in the photo are not the Subroto Mukherjee and the Suri is not Suranjan Das. Moolgavkar is the one who later became CAS in the late 1970s.
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Can experts share the information on how the the airspace clearances are taken care from each country's ATC/administration that these aircraft's fly over during such trips like the one where Rafale was ferried..

For commercial aircraft's, there would be already a protocol in place, but how are these military/fighter aircraft's cross over each country. Will there be some diplomatic tie ups in place beforehand or the pilots just seek the approval as they fly across.
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The Concorde, in my opinion will for the foreseeable future remain the first and last successful commercial supersonic airliner.
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I've been following a startup called Boom that seeks to re-introduce supersonic passenger flights to our world. They had pre-sold 30 jets to Japan Airlines and to Virgin, at least as of March 2019. This had bagged them $200 million.

https://techcrunch.com/2019/05/22/bo...its-game-plan/
Other than partnering with supersonic flight startup Boom, Virgin are working on their own on a Mach 3 passenger flight concept apparently:

https://news.sky.com/story/virgin-ga...hours-12042007

The article also states that Lockheed Martin also have a supersonic passenger flight project going on apart from Boom and Virgin.
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