Team-BHP - First-ever crash Of Tejas Fighter Jet in Rajasthan's Jaisalmer

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Originally Posted by skanchan95 (Post 5737287)

It was a Russian owned prototype of Su-30MKI ( it was actually called Su-30MK at that point in time)that crashed in 1999. The first Su-30MKIs were inducted in the IAF in 2002 ( No. 20 Sqdn "Lightnings").

Thanks. I missed quoting the article

https://www.eurasiantimes.com/lca-te...jection-seats/

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Originally Posted by handsofsteel (Post 5736597)

Pilot ejected by mistake? Are you an aviator/trained pilot sir? If yes, kindly elaborate on situations leading to the above speculation. If no, let’s please avoid such (IMHO) puerile thoughts.

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Originally Posted by V.Narayan (Post 5736948)

Thank you Brother @handsofsteel. I could not have said it better.:thumbs up

I mentioned 3 possible scenarios, there may be more, why are you stuck with one. All three or more can be possible outcome, and we would not know unless we it gets validated by the authorities, but that does not mean that outcome X has zero possibility. do-not know what is the big deal here.

If Brahmos can be fired by mistake, If US airforce can drop nuclear payload by mistake (there have been 32 broken arrow incidents till date) and multiple pilot errors globally then we cannot be 100% certain about eliminating a possibility

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Originally Posted by Asoon (Post 5737381)

A Brahmos can be misfired, but a pilot cannot mistakenly eject. The pilot has to physically pull the eject handle to do so. There is no way it can be accidentally pulled given its mechanism. Experts can please chime in. Yes , the pilot can be mistaken to think the plane is out of control when it possibly can be recovered but given the altitude at which the ejection happened, again, less likely.

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Originally Posted by fhdowntheline (Post 5737490)

A Brahmos can be misfired, but a pilot cannot mistakenly eject. The pilot has to physically pull the eject handle to do so. There is no way it can be accidentally pulled given its mechanism..

There a quite a few cases where pilots were accidentally ejected. These is a case where a G suit of a Grippen pilot inflated and somehow managed to dislodge the ejection handle.

There is a case where both pilot and RIO of an F14 got accidentally ejected due to a bag not being stored.

The cases are extremely rare, but yes, pilots and navigators have been accidentally ejected.

Jeroen

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Originally Posted by Jeroen (Post 5737560)

I am speaking more in the sense that it would be extremely improbable that the pilot would pull the ejection handle as part of an ergonomic anomaly.

Hello everyone,

Just to clear out some speculations regarding the crash. One of my friend's batchmate was flying the aircraft when this crash happened.

The pilot did not eject by mistake or error. The aircraft's flight controls/avionics were completely lost. I am not sure about why this happened maybe it was a technical snag or maintenance error or something else.

Blaming the pilot is easiest thing to do however most of the times it is not his/her fault.

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Originally Posted by Akash_1806 (Post 5737632)

Blaming the pilot is easiest thing to do however most of the times it is not his/her fault.

In commercial and private aviation, statistics on crashes, shows close to 90% is due to pilot error.

Not sure what the percentage is in military aviation. I don’t think military pilots are less prone to pilot error, but unfortunatly, I believe military aircraft tend to be more prone to problems.

I have no idea what happened here, but pilot error by and large, remains the number one main and or contributing factor in aviation.

Humans are the weakest link.

Jeroen

It had a dream run for more than two decades withour incidents, though only 50 or so have been built so far. The IAF have been flying them continuously and all pilots had only good things to say about the Tejas. And each iteration was seeing improvemets over the previous one. This crash doesn't take anything away from the jet. Murphy's law had to catch up sometime. It has happened now. Analayze the issue and move on.

We have read about F 35s and Eurofighter Typhoons crashing during training sorties. So why not a plane built in a third world country? I have also read about one of our SU 30 MKI from which both pilots were ejected accidentally for no reason at all, and it flew for a while without pilots before crashing in a field.

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Originally Posted by Akash_1806 (Post 5737632)

Do fighter planes have a blackbox (mainly FDR)? Has that been recovered? That should shed ample light, no?

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Originally Posted by vharihar (Post 5737766)

Do fighter planes have a blackbox (mainly FDR)? Has that been recovered? That should shed ample light, no?

AFAIK they do have a blackbox/FDR. Not sure if it has been recovered from the crash site yet. The findings of the IAF investigation board might or might not be shared with the general public due to various safety reasons.

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Originally Posted by handsofsteel (Post 5736597)

Pilot ejected by mistake? Are you an aviator/trained pilot sir? If yes, kindly elaborate on situations leading to the above speculation. If no, let’s please avoid such (IMHO) puerile thoughts.

@handsofsteel; @V.Narayan:

Is there any protocol stating, ONLY Aviator/Trainer pilot need to view this post or only Aviation experts need to give their opinions.

@Handofsteel is just giving his point of view. Nothing wrong in this and no one from aviation is going to consider our all opinions to their conclusion/judgement. We are just sharing our points and its a friendly discussion.

I read the entire discussion, and I think we're unexplainably touched when a member said, "pilot ejected by mistake".
Please don't be touched on one of the 3 probable assumptions that someone makes, on what is essentially a fine machine, but a machine only afterall. No, the import lobby will not benefit from a discussion on teambhp.

The matter is prejudice from what I perceive.
But, these are just a common man's opinions based on what he saw in a video, a set of 3 probable situations, not claimed to be conclusive. No use dragging him personally, quoting name and all.
Only the court of inquiry will shed proper light on the matter. Patience is the key.

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Originally Posted by dmaheshkumar (Post 5737873)

Is there any protocol stating, ONLY Aviator/Trainer pilot need to view this post or only Aviation experts need to give their opinions.
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Of course not. We don’t require anybody to be an expert on anything. Not even on cars or car accidents. Everybody can chip in with their thoughts and opinions.

Aviation accidents tend to be hugely complex. It is virtually impossible to come to any conclusions from say a video. So whereas everybody can have an opinion, when it comes to aviation accidents, all these tend to be speculation at best.

Not a problem as such, you might still learn a few things from the discussion. But you can’t draw any conclusions, doing so, or suggesting so, or looking at a video and claiming, this looked alright, plane seemed to be under control, or that did look suspicious, is just a display of failing to understand the complexity of aviation.

So unless you really know aviation and have access to the relevant facts, it’s just not relevant and doesn’t help anybody in understanding such incidents. If anything, it might create confusion.

Just a (former) pilot opinion of course.

Jeroen

Well just about anything on social media is opinions - and often partially informed opinions.

I don’t think even a trained pilot or even the pilot of the plane that crashed can have a definitive view of what happened until an investigation is complete. This being a military aircraft, we may never know the truth. So till then, we are free to speculate. So please keep the views coming - I have learnt a lot from several posts here.

I didn’t know that this is the first crash of the Tejas - given it has been around for a while now, that does seem to be a remarkable record for a military plane. Glad no one got hurt on the ground either.