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| One Tejas aircraft of the Indian Air Force met with an accident at Jaisalmer, today during an operational training sortie. The pilot ejected safely. A Court of Inquiry has been constituted to find out the cause of the accident |
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Originally Posted by RM Motorsports
(Post 5735946)
First-Ever Crash Of Tejas Fighter Jet In Rajasthan's Jaisalmer. |
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Originally Posted by skanchan95
(Post 5735972)
Unfortunate, but was bound to happen one day or the other. I only hope this doesn't give an excuse for the import lobby to start maligning the Tejas. The fact that the Tejas had a crashless safety record for 23 years, speaks volumes about how good our homegrown jet is...far, far better than our pesky neighbour's Junk Fighter-17!!!! |
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Originally Posted by Asoon
(Post 5736478)
It is a strange incident, no smoke form engine (no bird issue or engine failure), plane seem stable post ejection, landing gear are out (no malfunction there), either controls failed, engine stopped or pilot ejected by mistake |
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Originally Posted by handsofsteel
(Post 5736597)
Pilot ejected by mistake? Are you an aviator/trained pilot sir? If yes, kindly elaborate on situations leading to the above speculation. If no, let’s please avoid such (IMHO) puerile thoughts. |
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Originally Posted by directinjection
(Post 5736218)
The plane wasn't on fire before the crash and looks quite normal in the video; couldn't the pilot have made it glide a bit longer? Unlike the dart shaped MiG 21, Tejas has huge wings - wouldn't they have helped in gliding? |
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Originally Posted by skanchan95
(Post 5735972)
The fact that the Tejas had a crashless safety record for 23 years, speaks volumes about how good our homegrown jet is...far, far better than our pesky neighbour's Junk Fighter-17!!!! |
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Originally Posted by Asoon
(Post 5736478)
It is a strange incident; no smoke form engine (no bird issue or engine failure), plane seem stable post ejection, landing gear are out (no malfunction there). Either controls failed, engine stopped or pilot ejected by mistake. |
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Originally Posted by handsofsteel
(Post 5736597)
Pilot ejected by mistake? Are you an aviator/trained pilot sir? If yes, kindly elaborate on situations leading to the above speculation. If no, let’s please avoid such (IMHO) puerile thoughts. |
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Originally Posted by V.Narayan
(Post 5736948)
Thank you Brother @handsofsteel. I could not have said it better.:thumbs up There is something about an aircrash that brings the arm chair experts out in the sun with 101 opinions. |
| On 4 July 1989, a pilotless MiG-23 jet fighter of the Soviet Air Forces crashed into a house in Bellegem, near Kortrijk, Belgium, killing one person. The pilot had ejected over an hour earlier near Kołobrzeg, Poland, after experiencing technical problems, but the aircraft continued flying for around 900 km (600 mi) before running out of fuel and crashing into the ground. The incident started as a routine training flight. Colonel Nikolai Skuridin, the pilot, was to fly a MiG-23M from the Bagicz Airbase near Kołobrzeg, Poland. During takeoff, the engine's afterburner failed, causing a partial loss of power. At an altitude of 150 m (500 ft) and descending, the pilot elected to abandon the aircraft and ejected safely. However, the engine kept running and the aircraft remained airborne, flying on autopilot in a westerly direction. The unmanned aircraft left Polish airspace, crossing into East Germany and then West Germany, where it was intercepted by a pair of F-15s from the 32nd Tactical Fighter Squadron of the United States Air Forces Europe, stationed at Soesterberg Air Base in the Netherlands. The F-15 pilots reported that the MiG had no crew. At that stage the aircraft was potentially heading towards the UK so a live armed Quick Reaction Alert (QRA) RAF Phantom of 56(F) Squadron was scrambled from RAF Wattisham in Suffolk and instructed to fly at maximum subsonic speed to the Kent coast and be prepared to shoot the MiG down if it crossed the English Channel. The MiG-23 crossed into Dutch airspace and continued into Belgium. The escorting F-15s were instructed to shoot down the plane over the North Sea, but as the MiG ran out of fuel, it started a slow turn to the south, prompting the French Air Force to put its fighters on alert. After flying over 900 km (560 mi), the MiG eventually crashed into the house at 273 Doorniksesteenweg, in the town of Bellegem, near Kortrijk, some 5–10 km (3.1–6.2 mi) from the French border, killing local teenage resident Wim Delaere. |
| The Indian Air Force (IAF) has released disturbing details of why a Sukhoi-30MKI fighter crashed on October 14 near Lohegaon Air Base in Pune, while coming in to land after an uneventful flight. According to IAF, the fighter's ejection seats fired without reason, leaving it without either of its two pilots. "In my 40 years of flying, I have never heard of such an incident of automatic ejection. For the morale of the pilots who fly the Su-30MKI, the cause of this crash must be found and remedial measures transparently instituted," says Air Vice Marshal Kapil Kak (retired), a veteran who has extensively flown the Canberra light bomber. Fortunately, both the pilots (in the Su-30MKI, one is designated pilot and the other is a weapon systems operator) parachuted down safely. The IAF has stated that, "No loss of life or damage to property was reported." Miraculously - and fortunately for the investigation - the aircraft survived the unpiloted crash without major structural damage. |
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Originally Posted by V.Narayan
(Post 5736948)
The ability of an aircraft to glide with zero power is a function most of all of three factors amongst others - (a) the aspect ratio of the wing. A high aspect ratio like the wing of an ATR turboprop airliner facilitates gliding. A low aspect ratio wing like typically of any fighter is not friendly to gliding be it a MiG-21 or a Tejas. Apples to apples you are right the Tejas' bigger thicker wing would have better glide abilities {given speed & altitude} than the MiG-21's smaller, thinner & more sharply swept wing. (b) The stall speed of the aircraft and how close to that was the machine at the time of the incident. (c) The altitude at which the incident occurs. If the aircraft was coming in to land i.e. flying slow and at a low altitude then gliding a fighter is all but impossible. Pilots do try and avoid crashing in built up areas but if he had 1.5 seconds to figure out what was happening and what to do then that might be tough. Also we do not know what control authority he had over the flying surfaces. Low and slow is a bad time for an engine failure. |
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Originally Posted by V.Narayan
(Post 5736948)
Very proud of the Tejas. It is a great pity we are not producing it in larger numbers. All great Airforces and Navies were built painstakingly by marrying a compromise between the ideal specs the Airforce (or Navy) desired versus what the nation's industry is capable of designing and manufacturing. The IAF finally, IMHO, has started to learn this with some solid prodding by the current MoD. In the 1970s when the Indian Navy embarked on its long, well thought through and eventually highly successful journey of designing and building our own warships they looked at what the nascent Naval design office (internal to the IN) could design, what MazDocks was capable of producing and what they ideally wanted. And the compromise of the three factors was the Godavari class frigates followed by the Brahmaputra class which are still in service. China has long followed this policy in the development of its armament industry. While the IAF is finally waking up the Army still seems lost if you look at their assault rifle specs put out sometime back. |
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Originally Posted by directinjection
(Post 5737073)
@handsofsteel; @V.Narayan: Let us not be so critical and unforgiving of a question asked in good faith; Asoon did not claim to be an expert! Regarding pilot ejecting by mistake, here is an interesting example from 1989 in which a Soviet MiG 23 flew |
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Originally Posted by directinjection
(Post 5737073)
@handsofsteel; @V.Narayan: Let us not be so critical and unforgiving of a question asked in good faith; Asoon did not claim to be an expert! Aren't we all learning something new everyday? |
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Originally Posted by sagarpadaki
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It talks about the crash of Su 30 MKI in Paris airshow is 1999. I did not know about Indian Su30 crashing in Paris air show till now! |
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