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Old 13th February 2018, 18:04   #1
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According to a media report, the Union Minister for road transport and highways has revealed that a 'foolproof' policy for electric vehicles (EV) will be introduced by the government. The policy will be based on the Transport for London model.

Transport for London (TfL) is a local government body that is responsible for managing London's public transport along with some of the main roads. TfL has come up with models to manage the traffic and resulting congestion in the municipal region of Greater London. The combination of various models allows TfL to come up with what a person planning his journey would do. The various models can then be individually tweaked to work cohesively with others. The various models include railways, metro, highways, regional roads, and even cycle routes.

Last month, the ministry of road transport and highways and TfL signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) to work towards improving public transportation in India. The minister has claimed that the use of electric vehicles could see an increase after the MoU. The World Bank is expected to provide assistance in this scheme.

The government has declared that all new vehicles from 2030 would be electric only and that sales of vehicles running on fossil fuels would be stopped. However, there have been no proactive measures from the centre regarding this. The recent Union Budget was expected to include some of the pro-electric vehicle policies, but that did not materialise. The Minister also said that any such policy would be brought forth by the petroleum ministry.

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Maharashtra government has come up with policy for electric vehicles (related post). With subsidy for early adopters along with road tax waiver, electric vehicles now stand a much better chance. Now if only other state governments could replicate this policy!
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...policy for electric vehicles (EV) will be introduced by the government. The policy will be based on the Transport for London model.
...The various models include railways, metro, highways, regional roads, and even cycle routes.

The government has declared that all new vehicles from 2030 would be electric only and that sales of vehicles running on fossil fuels would be stopped.
At least the Govt is thinking. Albeit slowly but at least the gears of planning are turning.
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However, there have been no proactive measures from the centre regarding this. The recent Union Budget was expected to include some of the pro-electric vehicle policies, but that did not materialize. The Minister also said that any such policy would be brought forth by the petroleum ministry.
Govt policy making is far more complex than what most of us from the private sector realize. Far too many constituencies need to be addressed and decisions have to be taken keeping in mind the needs of various economic segments, industry needs, tax revenues, political sensitivities, impact on employment and so on. Being Indians cynicism towards the Govt is in our DNA and often for good reason. But I am hopeful that this will fructify into a serious and hopefully well thought through policy.
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At least the Govt is thinking
I am afraid Govt has made a U turn. Union Minister for Road Transport and Highways Nitin Gadkari said at a press conference in New Delhi that India doesn’t see the need for any explicit policy on electric vehicles.

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The government has declared that all new vehicles from 2030 would be electric only and that sales of vehicles running on fossil fuels would be stopped. However, there have been no proactive measures from the centre regarding this. The recent Union Budget was expected to include some of the pro-electric vehicle policies, but that did not materialise. The Minister also said that any such policy would be brought forth by the petroleum ministry.
I am really fascinated how the world is moving towards e-cars and happy to see that even Indian market is going in this direction. Nevertheless, is government looking into other aspects?

I mean, if we look at current figures in India, we sell over a quarter of million passenger cars monthly. These figures are surely going to increase by 2030. Let us assume an average car with 1000km/month needs 100kW of energy every month. If all vehicles produced by 2030 are electric then we need 25giga watts of power every month to drive these vehicles (Am i right with the calculation?).

May be we find a way to generate enough energy every month to feed cars and also fulfill household requirements but are there enough battery suppliers to cater these cars with enough batteries to generate this 25giga watt power?

Will government be in a position to lend loan to all new battery companies or will there be huge FDIs or will investors have billions of dollars to invest only in battery companies or a new battery technology needed to reach full electric cars from 2030? A lot of questions around this 2030 target.

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Yup. It seems official. The official policy on EV, that was in fact awaiting cabinet nod, is now done and dusted away.

NITI Aayog chairman Amitabh Kant says this -
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Everyday, new technology is coming into the market. Technology is always ahead of rules and regulations. And in India, it becomes very tough to change rules and regulations, so let there be just actions.
I don't disagree to his statement. Once a policy comes in, difficult to change it. But then he talks of action. When has any Indian Govt. (state or federal) acted, i.e., taken action, except for its own benefit or for the benefit of those running it.

So.. confusion and lack of clarity will continue. Just like everything else in policy matters.

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Just read this news. Horribly regressive.

Courtesy the same minister who also said we shouldn't promote driverless cars as people would lose jobs.

With what face do we question manufacturers for not bringing latest tech to India?

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“Implementing an EV policy package would need huge investments and with empty coffers, it is not possible for the government. So, the idea is left to the open market, manufacturers and the consumers,” a senior government official said,requesting anonymity.
http://www.livemint.com/Industry/mmh...EV-policy.html

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I don't disagree to his statement. Once a policy comes in, difficult to change it. But then he talks of action. When has any Indian Govt. (state or federal) acted, i.e., taken action, except for its own benefit or for the benefit of those running it.
Precisely why we need laws/policies first and then hope for action. We aren't a proactive nation, we aren't a very bold nation.
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So as per the latest ( 15th Feb )on the EV policy:

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Don't freeze anything for the country

- No need for EV policy as action plan ready

- instead of trapping technology in rules and regulations, focus should be on promoting new innovations.

- Technology is always ahead of rules and regulations. It becomes difficult to change rules and regulations

- Future will be shared economy, future will be connected economy and the future will zero-based emission policy.

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So as per the latest ( 15th Feb )on the EV policy:


- No need for EV policy as action plan ready

- instead of trapping technology in rules and regulations, focus should be on promoting new innovations.

- Technology is always ahead of rules and regulations. It becomes difficult to change rules and regulations

- Future will be shared economy, future will be connected economy and the future will zero-based emission policy.

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Yes, all that on the same day. There will be a policy, there is no need for a policy, technology changes too fast, government will take final call on policy.

It is like they are making this up as they go along.

One day there was sudden inspiration from the Tesla meeting, and next you have all-Ev 2030. Hybrids and gentle change go out the window. Then when you find its not going to be easy, start the change with government arms.

EVs have not made it big anywhere, without government subsidies, as far as I know. Imagine a decent subsidy on electric vehicles in India and the next day's news headlines. "Govt introduces Rs 2 lakh subsidy on cars; subsidies on LPG and fertiliser cut"

Yes, that would fly.

All that is being achieved is an industry that goes slow - the BS VI confusion, and now EV - and no job growth.
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I am really fascinated how the world is moving towards e-cars and happy to see that even Indian market is going in this direction. Nevertheless, is government looking into other aspects?

I mean, if we look at current figures in India, we sell over a quarter of million passenger cars monthly. These figures are surely going to increase by 2030. Let us assume an average car with 1000km/month needs 100kW of energy every month. If all vehicles produced by 2030 are electric then we need 25giga watts of power every month to drive these vehicles (Am i right with the calculation?).

May be we find a way to generate enough energy every month to feed cars and also fulfill household requirements but are there enough battery suppliers to cater these cars with enough batteries to generate this 25giga watt power?

Will government be in a position to lend loan to all new battery companies or will there be huge FDIs or will investors have billions of dollars to invest only in battery companies or a new battery technology needed to reach full electric cars from 2030? A lot of questions around this 2030 target.

-UB
These are all good points. But that isn't the crux here. Mass market alternative fuel vehicles are only going to work once you have something for the oil companies to sell to consumers viably. This isn't a conspiracy theory thing, it isn't about oil companies being evil, or anything of the sort. Currently a large part of the global economy is very deeply intertwined with oil, take away a significant need for it and you're looking at chaos in terms of jobs and employment of the 1000s employed in the field. No government can afford to take a risk like that. That's the only reason why there was a push for hydrogen in noughties.
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Maharashtra becomes first state to incentivise EVs.

Electric vehicles exempted from road tax and registration fees; to attract 15 percent last-owner grant at end of their lifecycle.

https://www.autocarindia.com/car-new..._medium=Social
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http://www.livemint.com/Industry/mmh...EV-policy.html

The conspiracy theories have started circulating. Strong lobbying by India's largest car maker, MSIL, made sure the 2030 deadline for EV-only car sales is thrown out summarily. MSIL does not have any EV in its portfolio, and the government is happy to accommodate them as well as spike sales with the about-to-be-introduced End Of Vehicle Life Rules within a year.

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Govt unveils draft National Auto Policy to promote green mobility.

It also envisages propelling Indiaa s automotive industry among-st the top three nations in the world in engineering, manufacturing and export of automotive vehicles and components.

-to promote clean and safe mobility and adopt a long-term roadmap to harmonise emission standards with global benchmarks by 2028.

-to provide a long-term, stable and consistent policy regime and to have a clear roadmap for the automotive industry

- to promote clean, safe, efficient and comfortable mobility for every person in the country, with a focus on environmental protection and affordability.

- long-term roadmap for emission standards beyond Bharat Stage VI and harmonise the same with global standards by 2028

-envisions the Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) norms till 2025 and beyond, for improving the average fuel economy of vehicles, and fix incentives or penalties.

-it is important to provide visibility on emission standards even beyond BS-VI, to enable the industry to plan it technology and investment roadmap.

-proposes to define emission standards that will be applicable after BS-VI with a target of harmonizing with the most stringent global standards by 2028, across all vehicle segments; introduction of new norms shall initiate in 2026 with a 2-year phase-in period.

- policy aims to drive the R&D efforts in the automotive sector towards indigenous research, design and engineering in both automotive vehicles and components.

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The policy's key objectives are to support the growth of the automotive industry in India and make it one of the major contributors to the countrya s manufacturing sector GDP and the overall economy by 2026.

It also aims to improve the brand recognition, competitiveness and technological advancement of the Indian automotive industry across the world.

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Finally sense prevails, relief for Hybrid cars in the offing ?

The move accords benefits not only for electric vehicles but also other relatively-cleaner technologies, such as hybrids, CNG, bio-fuel and methanol as well as fuel cells

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The government is mulling lower duty and other concessions, including cheaper loans, for cars that are compact and have reduced carbon emissions - pegged at 155gm per km this year and eventually going down to 110 by 2028.
The move, proposed in a draft national auto policy is in line with what the wider auto industry has been demanding :

-policy also speaks about the need to boost R&D in India in the auto domain instead of importing cutting edge technologies.

-no particular mention of a mandatory migration to electrics by 2030

- Introducing CO2 emissions as a basis of vehicle classification

-155 gm/km will be used as the cut-off for categorizing vehicles currently,this cut-off will gradually decrease yearly

-the base GST rate will continue to be 28%,lower cess on greener cars

-Cars with length less than 4 meters and CO2 emissions less than 155 gm/km will be eligible for the lowest cess rate of 1%.

-Cars with length less than 4 meters but CO2 emissions higher than 155 g/km will have a cess rate of 15%

-Larger cars with length greater than 4 meters and CO2 emissions less than 155 g/km will have a cess rate of 15%

-The policy proposes the highest cess rate of 27% on cars with length greater than 4 meters and emissions higher than 155 g/km


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Would be appreciated by the Auto Industry

No time-frame decided on all electric car fleet in India!

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the government wants to encourage adoption of electric mobility by changing peoplea s mindsets and cooperation of the automobile industry.
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