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Old 9th January 2021, 23:15   #16
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Default Tesla Model 3 Autopilot fails to avoid merging tractor-trailer truck, doors don't open after crash

Came across this video today, the relevant clip is the first clip in this video:



The car somehow failed to detect the merging tractor trailer. The driver apparently wasn't paying attention. Furthermore according to the owner, the doors couldn't be opened after the accident and had to be pried open by the fire department. He is lucky that the battery pack didn't catch fire. Relevant discussion: https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/elect...rning-car.html (Lawsuit against Tesla after malfunctioning door handles left driver trapped in a burning car)
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Old 19th April 2021, 11:12   #17
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Default Re: NTSB links Tesla crash to Autopilot; 3rd such fatal accident

Fiery Tesla Crash Kills Two Occupants, Neither Was Driving the Model S:

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National Transportation Safety Board said that Autopilot suffers from “a lack of appropriate safeguards.” Adding insult to injury, Tesla regulatory counsel Eric C. Williams told the California Department of Motor Vehicles that Autopilot and FSD are definitely not autonomous systems.

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Default Two killed in driverless Tesla crash.

One man was sitting on the front passenger seat and the other one on the back seat. It is not illegal to commit suicide in the US.

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The fully-electric 2019 Tesla Model S had sped off the road after failing to make a turn on Saturday. It crashed into a tree north of Houston and burst into flames with the passengers trapped inside.
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First responders told the station that it took four hours and 32,000 gallons of water to extinguish the flames because the vehicle’s batteries kept reigniting. Authorities even had to call Tesla at one point because firefighters didn’t know how to stop it. The Model S has been involved in a series of fires in recent years.
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In the wake of the accident, the tweet has attracted a mix of support and criticism, with a number of users blaming the accident on human error. Others note that Tesla was to blame for “misleading the public” by advertising “hands-free driving”.
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The carmaker, whose website describes the autopilot mode as the “future of driving”, states that the feature allows vehicles to “steer, accelerate and brake automatically within its lane.” However, it also cautions that “current Autopilot features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous.”
https://www.rt.com/usa/521499-two-ki...ampaign=chrome

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Old 19th April 2021, 21:55   #19
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Really unfortunate

But, unless a thorough testing is done, going at insane speeds in a driverless car is a foolproof method to kill oneself.

I really feel sorry for the unfortunate deceased passengers. For no fault of theirs, they had to sacrifice their lives.

I think government should pose very strict rules on speed limits of not more than 40-50 kmph (or equivalent in miles) for driverless vehicles for next 5 years. This will build pressure on manufacturers to build fool proof software to address real time traffic conditions and adapt driving mode to the real life scenario.

I think this is the only way to onboard driverless cars on road. Big Bang approach is prone to fail heavily.

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Well, what do you know - the range of human intelligence display in one day -

The first powered flight on Mars and people testing the tech reliability against manufacturer recommendations!
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Default Re: Two killed in driverless Tesla crash.

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For no fault of theirs, they had to sacrifice their lives.
I'm sorry but what!? No fault of theirs? There was literally NO ONE in the driver's seat. If anything it is a 100% their fault.

There are hundreds if not thousands of tiktoks floating around which show people doing such insane stuff.

Tesla acknowledges that it's Full Self Driving feature is not fully ready yet. It is also illegal to not have anyone in the driver's seat when the car is moving. As far as I know, Autopilot also automatically disengages itself as soon as driver is unbuckled as demonstrated by dozens of videos online. I think bashing Tesla in this case is completely unjustified and uncalled for.

Two people died being incredibly stupid. I know I'm being rude but, I wouldn't call it anything other than natural selection working the way it should. Fortunately the crash didn't involve any other victim.

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Tesla acknowledges that it's Full Self Driving feature is not fully ready yet..
Tesla has intentionally brainwashed/hyped people into a "cult" like belief about their autopilot, FSD, etc tech. There are a lot of areas where the govt/regulator can put limits on misleading advertisements/product-claims made by companies but Tesla is a new-age company with unconventional way to run propaganda. Take the use of autopilot word. Even a small kid knows what autopilot means. To use such an established concept and then add a small print footnote is unethical but like I said there are many new-age companies that have successfully bypassed regulation/code-of-conduct to achieve mega success.

Tesla is a great company but it is selling a vision even before the product is ready - playing video games, movies, everything controlled by that huge touch screen, FSD, etc. I get their vision and such cars will be a reality but Tesla is too eager to capture the mindshare of customers to be seen as a company that has already achieved it, small-print not withstanding.
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To use such an established concept and then add a small print footnote is unethical but like I said there are many new-age companies that have successfully bypassed regulation/code-of-conduct to achieve mega success.
We can talk about how Tesla and Elon Musk have been engaged in "propaganda" and creating "cult" all day long. This argument is not only irrelevant in this case but also flawed on many levels.

Coming to the safety guidelines that Tesla shows when an user opts to enroll in Full Self Driving (FSD) Beta program, here's the actual screenshot of what Tesla shows as a caution.

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Here's the screenshot of Navigate on Autopilot feature.

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Moreover, Autopilot (which is different from FSD) section on Tesla's official website also says that it is not an autonomous system.

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None of these are in small prints but are infact displayed prominently and very much in context with the actual technology and it's current use case.
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In US where not having 'contents too hot' warning can lead to litigations, there are few open issues with Tesla's warnings. Not sure why no one has sued them big time ?

To say lane markings should be good is fine. Shouldn't the car warn and disengage from auto pilot if it cant find good lane markings ?
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Default Re: NTSB links Tesla crash to Autopilot; 3rd such fatal accident

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All owner's know what is an Autopilot, how it works. It's incredibly stupid to leave your seat, put weights on the steering wheel, watch Netflix after enabling Autopilot.

Apart from the name there is no comparison to flight controls as most of the population does not know how autopilot works in a flight.
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Default Re: Two killed in driverless Tesla crash.

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I'm sorry but what!?

Tesla acknowledges that it's Full Self Driving feature is not fully ready yet. It is also illegal to not have anyone in the driver's seat when the car is moving. As far as I know, Autopilot also automatically disengages itself as soon as driver is unbuckled as demonstrated by dozens of videos online. I think bashing Tesla in this case is completely unjustified and uncalled for..
While the deceased have had to bear the responsibility of flouting manufacturer recommendation and putting other road users at risk as well.
The vehicle is able to "autonomously" drive etc. and they can't make it detect if someone is actually sitting in the driver's seat? This, In a car with such advanced computing and sensors. I think more should be demanded from Tesla.

This incident also highlights the other risk that we need to to learn manage better - fire.
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Default Re: NTSB links Tesla crash to Autopilot; 3rd such fatal accident

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Tesla Admits CEO Elon Musk Overstated About 'Full Self-Driving' Capabilities

The company's director of Autopilot software told the California Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) that CEO Elon Musk has been exaggerating the capabilities of Tesla's advanced driver assist system.
https://www.carandbike.com/news/tesl...lities-2437786
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Default Re: NTSB links Tesla crash to Autopilot; 3rd such fatal accident

Update regarding the Tesla crash that happened in April.

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Tesla owner seen on video entering driver's seat before fiery crash in The Woodlands, NTSB says



While law enforcement insists no one was in the driver's seat of a fiery Tesla crash that killed two people in The Woodlands, preliminary findings from federal transportation investigators stated the vehicle's owner was seen taking the driver's seat moments before taking off.

In a preliminary report issued Monday by the National Transportation Safety Board, findings also stated the "Autosteer" feature in the Model S P100D was not available on the part of the roadway where the crash happened.

The NTSB explained the vehicle was equipped with "Autopilot," which requires the use of "Traffic Aware Cruise Control" and "Autosteer."

"According to the report the crash trip began at the owner's residence. Footage from the owner's home security cameras show the owner entering the driver's seat and the passenger entering the front passenger seat," the NTSB stated. "The video also shows the car slowly entering the roadway and then accelerating down the road away from the camera and out of sight."

The federal agency continued, "Based on examination of the accident scene investigators have determined the car traveled about 550 feet before departing the road on a curve, driving over the curb, and hitting a drainage culvert, a raised manhole and a tree.

The car's restraint control module - which can record data related to vehicle speed, seat belt status, acceleration and airbag deployment - was damaged but recovered by NTSB for evaluation. The steering wheel was also shipped to the NTSB lab for analysis.

The NTSB said its investigation is ongoing.


One can read the NTSB full report at this link : https://dig.abclocal.go.com/ktrk/PIC...report-pdf.pdf
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Default Re: NTSB links Tesla crash to Autopilot; 3rd such fatal accident

Waymo taxi getting confused, and stops on encountering traffic cones.
I wonder how this can navigate Indian road conditions safely!

The taxi does a fine job till around the 11th minute in the video.

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