[D33-PAC]

Originally Posted by Jeroen

I guess driving a Lambo, any Lambo tends to be a bit of an embarrassing exercise. They do stand out. A lot in fact. On the other hand, a Huracan outruns a Model 3 on the 0 - 60 mph and the quarter mile by a huge margin. Nothing to be ashamed of!

Jeroen

It was a rental so I guess he got the best of me mentally to begin with. I pussyfooted the car because the roads of Southern California are horrific. Too bad you weren't there to tell me to floor it !

Jeroen, one thing I will say is, and I challenge Elon and the world electric car maniac community out there.

There is very little to rival the sound of a V10 high performance engine revving behind you as you drive through California's Pacific Coast Highway towards Laguna Beach and Laguna Hills with the top down in a Lamborghini.

The scenery is exquisite, and the sound justifies the beauty of the moment to a car nut.


I've always been a sound maniac, and believed it added soul to a vehicle. In this world of efficiency and technological advancement, I shudder to imagine to a world one day when it becomes a challenge to find a beautiful vehicle with a nice exhaust note to drive through a scenic area because everything in the vicinity is all electric.



Can you imagine Mille Miglia, Isle of Man motorbike racing, a Monaco Grand Prix without any sound ? Blasphemous.

[Jeroen]

Originally Posted by GutsyGibbon

Huge margin? Both Huracan and Model 3 performance have 3.2s 0-60 time. Model 3 does it quietly though.
Imho, that's impressive considering the tire size.

I think the Huracan is quicker. Depends a bit who you believe, but the 0-60 mph is around the 2,6-2,7 second mark, whereas the model 3 gets you 3,2 seconds. Half a second on these sort of times is a huge margin I believe>

All electrical cars tend to be (very) quick of the line, but they tend to run out of puff quickly to. So the quarter mile, or acceleration from 60 km/h to 150 km/h the IC engine tends to outperform, again be a good margin.

Jeroen

[Jeroen]

Originally Posted by D33-PAC

It was a rental so I guess he got the best of me mentally to begin with. .

You must have heard of this:

Q: What is the fastest car?
A: A rented one!

Most people who rent, do not care a hoot and seem to drive it completely digitally, either full on the throttle or full on the brake

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucQKNkvzQ3g

[ds.raikkonen]

Originally Posted by D33-PAC

There is very little to rival the sound of a V10 high performance engine revving behind you..

The scenery is exquisite, and the sound justifies the beauty of the moment to a car nut.

I've always been a sound maniac, and believed it added soul to a vehicle. In this world of efficiency and technological advancement, I shudder to imagine to a world one day when it becomes a challenge to find a beautiful vehicle with a nice exhaust note to drive through a scenic area because everything in the vicinity is all electric.

Can you imagine Mille Miglia, Isle of Man motorbike racing, a Monaco Grand Prix without any sound ? Blasphemous.

Absolutely, it has been a long argument as to what gives a vehicle its soul.

The sound of a big bore V8 thundering down the Mulsanne straight, a V10 screaming up hill at Spa and down shifting 6 times like a rifle (I remember the down shifts of the V8s, especially the Mclarens being the best bit while watching it live at the BIC)! The crazy turbo-4s used in WRC screaming in the forests of Finland or the mountains in Monaco!

Then there's the sheer insanity of the Isle of Man spectacle, can't imagine anything without a proper soundtrack associated with it.

[evil_grin]

Originally Posted by D33-PAC

There is very little to rival the sound of a V10 high performance engine revving behind you as you drive through California's Pacific Coast Highway towards Laguna Beach and Laguna Hills with the top down in a Lamborghini.

Well, electric sports cars could always produce sound through the speakers like even BMW does with it's ICE cars. But it definitely won't sound like the real deal.

[ds.raikkonen]

Originally Posted by evil_grin

Well, electric sports cars could always produce sound through the speakers like even BMW does with it's ICE cars. But it definitely won't sound like the real deal.

That's like enjoying a simulated holiday trip in your living room. The relationship between your right foot and the sheer symphony of pressure waves travelling the length of an exhaust pipe is something you can't simulate with a speaker mate. Car brands have gained unique 'identities' owing to the noise their engines have made.

All electric vehicles do is 'whine' shrilly like the transmissions in '80s race cars. I tried watching Formula E which was as exciting as watching grass grow simply because there was no soundtrack.

[centaur]

Apparently competitors for Tesla are saying "we cannot do this". Not sure if this is a fake news (doesn't look like one though). Few excerpts from the article-

According to an article in Nikkei Asian Review, a “stunned engineer from a major Japanese automaker … declared, ‘We cannot do it.'”.......

.......What stands out most is Tesla’s integrated central control unit, or “full self-driving computer.” Also known as Hardware 3, this little piece of tech is the company’s biggest weapon in the burgeoning EV market. It could end the auto industry supply chain as we know it….....

......So big automakers apparently feel obliged to continue using complicated webs of dozens of ECUs, while we only found a few in the Model 3. Put another way, the supply chains that have helped today’s auto giants grow are now beginning to hamper their ability to innovate.

Young companies like Tesla, on the other hand, are not shackled to suppliers and are free to pursue the best technologies available. Our teardown underscored this in another way as well.

Most parts inside the Model 3 do not bear the name of a supplier. Instead, many have the Tesla logo, including the substrates inside the ECUs. This suggests the company maintains tight control over the development of almost all key technologies in the car......

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[pradeepkc]

Not just the Hardware, the Software is years ahead compared to other traditional Automotive Manufacturers. Tesla's Traction control and collision avoidance is far better than most Automotive Manufacturers. They may not look as nice as some of the Italians or the driving pleasure of a German, but they own the Automotive Software world. In fact their biggest competitors will be Silicon Valley based future car companies (Waymo's Self driving is way ahead right now when it comes to self driving cars).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5dwKsUkW1I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbaNQQaFrnE

[tsk1979]

Originally Posted by pradeepkc

Not just the Hardware, the Software is years ahead compared to other traditional Automotive Manufacturers.

Whats truly amazing that its a bit "proactive", rather than reactive. We have seen auto braking systems on Volvo trucks which are reactive and can react almost instantly, saving lives. Here the Cars "sees" and accident about to happen and reacts. The system almost feels clairvoyant.

[akhilesh]

Originally Posted by pradeepkc

Not just the Hardware, the Software is years ahead compared to other traditional Automotive Manufacturers. Tesla's Traction control and collision avoidance is far better than most Automotive Manufacturers. They may not look as nice as some of the Italians or the driving pleasure of a German, but they own the Automotive Software world. In fact their biggest competitors will be Silicon Valley based future car companies (Waymo's Self driving is way ahead right now when it comes to self driving cars).

I have always said how people ignore Tesla the software company. Apart from their lead in hardware, there is no one who can touch them in software from the legacy world to auto.

[gopi_rm]

Originally Posted by akhilesh

I have always said how people ignore Tesla the software company. Apart from their lead in hardware, there is no one who can touch them in software from the legacy world to auto.

I would disagree. You have to read the history also. Traditional OEMs started the automotive HW/SW from scratch and the E/E system was being gradually improved and optimised during these years. In the recent years, the development is shifting towards centralised ECU concept from the legacy concept of distributed ECUs. Traditional OEMs & suppliers are the ones who contributed to this development with their huge R&D investments and field experiences.

Tesla who started recently is simply using the latest technology available in the market (which the traditional OEMs & suppliers have developed over the years) but for the traditional OEMs it is not that easy to switch to a completely new technology with in short span of time due to lot of factors such as vehicle platforms developed with legacy technology, supply chain, restructuring of HW/SW development teams, breaking the contract with component suppliers for exiting orders, etc. In traditional OEMs the change will happen but only gradually but it does not mean they do not have the know-how in the latest technology. For example, Mercedes and Audi have already partial or full autonomous driving technology like Tesla's Autopilot but they have not deployed it the cars sold in the market to avoid risk of misuse and potential hazards until the technology is fully validated for road use.

[wheelguy]

VW CEO worried about Tesla’s lead in autonomous tech & software - Link

Amidst getting into trouble for allegedly causing accidents on motorways when autopilot enables, Tesla has always pursued with the idea by perfecting it over time. An internal document gained by Automobilwoche suggests that Herbert Diess, CEO of Volkswagen, expressed his concerns on Tesla beating its rivals in terms of autonomous functions and over-the-air updates.

He was claimed saying: “What worries me the most is the capabilities in the assistance systems. 500,000 Teslas work as a neural network that continuously collects data and offers the customer a new driving experience every 14 days”. It must be noted that no other carmaker existing has such capabilities as the network enables continuous improvements across several departments.

The report further said Diess is planning to implement a new strategy to reduce Tesla’s lead over things. According to graphs passed along by Diess to VW executives, the Volkswagen Group comprising of luxury carmakers like Audi, Bentley, Lamborghini and Porsche is worth about half of Tesla in valuation and thus the conglomerate has a mountain to climb in the coming years.

[PetrolheadRup]

Daimler is talking to BMW and VW in parallel about a common operating system. VW is particularly under pressure - the software of the most important electric car threatens to become a disaster.

The board of directors of Daimler and Volkswagen met to discuss whether the two groups could program an operating system for automobiles together. Because the software is crucial for the cars of the future. And at the moment Tesla, the competition from the USA, is miles away from the Germans.

When it became public last week that Wolfsburg and Stuttgart might want to work together, it caused an earthquake in the industry. First, the bosses, especially at the Daimler headquarters in Stuttgart, could not believe that there was a leak despite the small number of people who had been informed. And, worse, the Mercedes makers are now a little in front of their BMW colleagues . Because the Munich team is also running advances for a common operating system.

In any case, it seems certain that not all three can come together - this would hardly be enforceable under antitrust law and, moreover, difficult to reconcile with the egos and self-interest, which are significantly pronounced on all sides. Daimler will therefore have to choose between BMW and Volkswagen as a possible partner. And this decision will have the greatest possible strategic consequences for all three. If you end up alone, you could have a massive competitive disadvantage. Nobody comments on the talks.

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(The source is in German)

[Venkatesh]

Tesla Full Self-Driving System's beta developer settings leaked

The images shared give some insight into how FSD-enabled Teslas see the world and what settings could potentially be launched when the feature set goes public.

There’s also an Augmented Vision area where developers can toggle what's seen on a Tesla display while driving. It includes toggles for Pretty, Developer, and Camera Image. Once Developer is enabled, it shows options for a whole host of data that can be shown on the infotainment system.

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[Venkatesh]

Tesla offers 3 Months of Full Self-Driving If You Buy by Jan 1. In a bid to boost end-of-quarter sales, Tesla is offering the free FSD on vehicles delivered by midnight December 31.



Tesla’s FSD feature is currently in beta and is likely to be released to supported Teslas sometime next year.

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