[RahulNagaraj]

Toyota recently unveiled further details of its electrification plans at a recent workshop in Japan. The carmaker stated that they will start rolling their next-generation EVs by 2025, which will be far more advanced and offer significantly improved battery tech.

Toyota stated that the company plans to offer different battery packs: one for the mass EVs and another offering better capabilities for its premium vehicles.



Those powering the affordable EVs will be a bipolar lithium-iron-phosphate (LFP) battery. The standard LFP batteries on the new-gen EVs will have 20% more capacity, a 40% reduction in cost and a charging time of 30 minutes or less (10-80%); compared to the brand's bZ4X EV. There will also be a 'performance' version of the LFP batteries offering a cruising range of 1000 km.

Apart from the LFP batteries, Toyota is also said to be working on solid-state batteries. The Japanese carmaker aims to have these solid-state batteries ready for commercial use by 2027 or 2028. The new solid-state batteries will have a 20% higher range than the performance version of the LFP batteries - around 1200 km. Making things more interesting, Toyota will also have a 'higher-spec' version of the solid-state batteries, which has a max range of 1500 km on a single charge. These solid-state batteries would also allow 10-80% charging times to drop down to just 10 minutes, bringing it close to the time taken to refuel an ICE vehicle.

In addition to the new battery tech, Toyota is also working on the aerodynamic efficiency of its vehicles. Future models from the Japanese carmaker could be designed to have an aerodynamic drag coefficient as low as 0.1 Cd.

Source: CarScoops

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[shortbread]

Another month and another new Toyota EV strategy! What people really need to see is an affordable Toyota EV that sells in the hundreds of thousands. Despite costing more than twice as much the Tesla Model Y has overtaken the humble Corolla as the world's largest selling car, if that's not a clarion call for Toyota then I do not know what is.

Paper EV strategies were passé five years ago, what people need to see now to be convinced are real models they can buy in showrooms. If Toyota still needs another two years to make that happen..... well just remember the Apple and Sony Walkman story!

[SKC-auto]

The question everyone like to understand from Toyota is, Where will all the lithium come from? Do we have lithium shortage or not? From where will Toyota get enough lithium for their EVs?

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/elect...vironment.html (Toyota claims going all-in on electric vehicles is bad for the environment)

[On4Wheels]

Originally Posted by RahulNagaraj

In addition to the new battery tech, Toyota is also working on the aerodynamic efficiency of its vehicles. Future models from the Japanese carmaker could be designed to have an aerodynamic drag coefficient as low as 0.1 Cd.

I am curious to know how much as a customer, one need to pay for a car that has coefficient of drag as low as 0.1. As far as I know, the Lightyear 0 has the lowest coefficient of drag (0.175) for a production ready vehicle. The target of 0.1 Cd is for an automobile is a pipe dream and it is achievable only if body of the car is a stream lined half-body.

[sunilarkt]

Originally Posted by shortbread

Another month and another new Toyota EV strategy!

Despite Toyota's negative outlook towards EV in the public, They have been spending huge money on battery development. They won't take much time to catch up with other EV's or even better them in terms of range or charging speeds (2 crucial aspects for faster EV adoption). They are just unwilling to let of go of the dominant position ICE cars yet and believe they can pretty much sell hybrids in large numbers till 2050 atleast.

[Pennant1970]

Coincidentally, I was watching this video yesterday:

Toyota CEO: "This New Engine Will Destroy The Entire EV Industry!"

So what IS Toyota planning?

[Joe367]

Looks like Toyota is back to it's senses after years of experimenting with hybrids and hydrogen powered cars.

[Shresth_EV]

I find Toyota similar to that kid who keeps on procrastinating, thinking that I will start studying when the time is a round figure (like 15:30 instead of 15:17, and yes I was that kid)

They keep waiting for some holy grail breakthrough in tech and releasing ridiculous info like this range claim drop by drop, claiming that they will “deep dive” into EV industry when they commercialise this invention.

I read a very interesting comment on r/cars that Toyota does this so that even the currently prospective EV buyers are shooed away by the premise that “there will be X km range and Y min charging time” in some short period of time like 2025 or 2030 or 2035 (depending when they publish the article)

The buyer of course would think that it’s a waste of money to buy a 400km range EV rn, rather buy a new Toyota hybrid rn and buy that theoretical vapourware EV at the later date.

But this EV will obviously never come, it was never supposed to. It’s called the Osborne effect. People halt purchase of current tech (here 400km EV) in favour of some newly announced technology which is reported to come out later (here the Toyota solid state battery).

These batteries will likely remain a lab concept much like many other technologies promised in yesteryears. Even if materialising, it time frame will be nowhere near what Toyota claims. What it does mean that Toyota gets to sell their ICE cars in the meantime also dissuades prospective buyers (including those lining up for their own mediocre bz4x) from buying EVs

I’m not saying that buyers should just buy the current EV irrespective of any consideration. For sure make considerations. For a lot of people current EVs may not work out too. But these reports no doubt bring on the Osborne effect, whether it be little or a lot.

[ads11]

Not sure if this is the right thread for it but seeing news of Toyota making a breakthrough on solid state batteries on mainstream channels.

Going to cautiously wait for some more updates on this one but really promising for everyone if true. God knows Toyota needs a big breakthrough to counter the widespread (and somewhat valid) image they have of being half hearted and behind the curve on EVs.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...-electric-cars

Some excerpts below:

The world’s second largest carmaker was already pursuing a plan to roll out cars with advanced solid-state batteries, which offer benefits compared with liquid-based batteries, by 2025.

On Tuesday, the Japanese company said it had simplified production of the material used to make them, hailing the discovery as a significant leap forward that could dramatically cut charging times and increase driving range.

Kaita said the company had developed ways to make batteries more durable and believed it could now make a solid-state battery with a range of 1,200km (745 miles) that could charge in 10 minutes or less.

The company expects to be able to manufacture solid-state batteries for use in electric vehicles as soon as 2027, according to the Financial Times, which first reported on Toyota’s claimed breakthrough.

[SKC-auto]

Originally Posted by ads11

Not sure if this is the right thread for it but seeing news of Toyota making a breakthrough on solid state batteries on mainstream channels.

Yeah..Our solid state battery EVs and Hydrogen cars come to market in the near future, meanwhile you can buy our Hybrid cars.

[ads11]

Originally Posted by SKC-auto

Yeah..Our solid state battery EVs and Hydrogen cars come to market in the near future, meanwhile you can buy our Hybrid cars.

Oh I think the shade Toyota earn in this arena is fully justified. They need to put their money where their mouth is and have demonstrators out there, something to show some serious intent in this space. At the same time I don't blame them either for wanting to keep a finger in every pie still, but that's probably because I intrinsically believe in a multitude of solutions when it comes to anything energy transition related.

[sharathkamath04]

Do we really need a 1200 km range in an EV?

Max people travel is 400-500km in a day.

Current NexonEV Max has a real-world range of 300km.

And with enough DC and AC chargers coming up, we can easily top up another 200km when we have lunch/breakfast.

So what we need is a realistic 400km range vehicle (~50KW battery pack) with a good fast charging option. The charging network will only grow when we have demand, which is dependent on OEMs bringing more EV models into the market.

We already have enough DC chargers thanks to Tata Motors leading the way.

Imagine a market with EV versions of Brezza, Baleno , Seltos, Venue, Creta, i20 ..etc

[mpksuhas]

I have heard from a reliable source that Toyota is planning on launching EV vehicle in India in next two years (2025 being the discussed timeframe now). However, that was to be a joint venture / launch with Maruti Suzuki.

The above news it seems is a new approach they are taking, I am hoping / assuming that its on top of the above mentioned joint EV project with MS.

[volkman10]

Toyota EV with solid-state batteries coming in a couple of years. Can achieve 1000+ km in a single charge.

In early 2022, Toyota said we'd get a hybrid with the revolutionary battery tech by 2025 but there hasn't been any news on that front since then. However, last fall, the Japanese automaker did say it had achieved a "breakthrough." It promised 10 to 80 percent charging in 10 minutes and a driving range of 621 miles (1,000 kilometers).

Initially, the first EV with solid-state batteries was supposed to come out in 2027 or 2028 but a new statement from a Toyota official suggests the launch might have been moved forward.

Vikram Gulati, country head of Toyota Kirloskar Motor:

We are rolling out an electric vehicle with solid state batteries in a couple of years from now.

The solid-state batteries can be charged in 10 minutes and have a range of 1,200 km (750 miles).

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