I10 1.1. irde OR 1.2 kappa?

arindambasu13 · 9th January 2009, 09:57

Hey Guys,

Need your expert advice on this.

My better half is planning to buy a new car, and given the fact that she comes from Goa, where traffic is not the horror that it is in Bangalore, she is looking for a car that is an easy city runabout with the occasional out of town trips. We have more or less decided on the i10, after also having considered the A-Star, Swift, Santro, Alto, and Spark (which she already has in Goa).

Now my dilemma is choosing between the 1.1 irde powerplant and the 1.2 Kappa. I am all for the Kappa engine, being the power-hungry BHPian that I am

but would like your advice on what the pros and cons of the 2 engines are. I believe the 1.2 Magna engine is priced around 40k more than the 1.1 (Era), from the qoutes given by Advaith Hyundai.
I shall be driving the car 50% of the time, since she is not charmed by the state of Bangay roads, lol!

So folks, which one should it be- 1.1 or 1.2? Priorities are: Good ride, Power, Fuel Efficiency and ease of driving, in that order.

Thanks in anticipation

Arindam.

luky_13 · 9th January 2009, 10:12

Go for the Kappa engine you get 20% more power over IRDE and also better FE, its a more advanced motor. In the long run resale of Kappa would be higher than IRDE. For 40K more i think its good VFM.

DCEite · 9th January 2009, 10:41

If you are strictly driving in city limits and plan to sell off the car within 3-4 years, go for the 1.1 IRDE.
The reason is that the IRDE feels more peppy in the city thanks to a better drivebility in lower gears, specially 3rd gear. You don't really feel want for power unless you hit the highways, where the 80BHP Kappa obviously does better. However, being an old engine, i doubt if it will be able to meet future emission norms. Kappa engine is already E-V complaint. So if you are planning to keep the car long term, go for the Kappa. Also, top end variants with all the bells and whistles are available only with the Kappa engine.

aaggoswami · 9th January 2009, 10:48

1) If the car is going to do duty on city roads for more than 80% of time, go for 1.1. Smaller engine, but is better as compared to 1.2 for city duties.

2) If you are going to use the car more, then test drive both and find out which is better for you, but as primarily as you are not buying the car for yourself, ask your better half to TD both 1.1 and 1.2.

3) 1.2 is a better all-rounder and infact the engine is almost perfect for the size of the car. Much better for highway driving.

I will suggest you go for 1.1. Good for city driving, more FE ( although not significant ) and less capital cost involved.

phamilyman · 9th January 2009, 10:54

1.2 anyday man.

Its only 15k more if I recall right. And well worth it. Take the fully loaded safe version.

PS: Why not the spark?

AirWind · 9th January 2009, 11:16

OT: An AT would be a boon in our city, so see if you can afford one? Not sure if it is offered in both the versions

mobike008 · 9th January 2009, 11:48

Without taking any parameter into consideration ( that's exactly how i bought a Kappa), i would recommend the Kappa.

When you have already honed down to an i10, why are you even thinking of an older engine?

jango · 9th January 2009, 11:53

TD both the variants and then decide. Personally i would suggest you to go for the 1.2L Kappa. Why wouldn't you want to drive a car with newer technology and features.

arindambasu13 · 9th January 2009, 11:57

Hey guys,

Thanks for your inputs. Well, as for the automatic, its a strict no-no since neither I nor the lady like the staid feel of an auto box, apart from the higher price considerations. Shes a pretty enthusiastic driver herself, so I guess the manual tranny is the way to go for her too

The Spark is out, for the reasons that she already has a Spark back home in Goa, and secondly I dont trust GM service as compared to Hyundai, which i gather is quite decent, and thirdly, the looks are in favour of the i10, both exterior and of course interior too.
On road price for the Magna 1.2 is quoted ar 4.57, while the 1.1 Era is 4.3. For 30 k more the 1.2 seems to be a good deal. What do you think?
My heart says 1.2, since we plan to take it out for highway trips as well, and simply because the 80 horses sound really good to me for a car of this size. I shall be doing the test drive over the weekend.

Another question is whether Advaith Hyundai (residency Road) is a good dealership for Hyundai? Or is Trident (Sankey Road) better? What is your experience, Bangy Hyundai owners?

kutlee · 9th January 2009, 11:59

drove a kappa..it has potential. recommend kappa.
change the airfilter and tyres if you are buying they suck!!

arindambasu13 · 9th January 2009, 12:00

@mobike: Yes I was only thinking of the older engine because of the price difference, but then I found out that it was just about 30k more. So I am all for the 1.2. Lets see what the lady has to say. AM hoping she goes with my thought process

Sahil · 9th January 2009, 12:04

Go by what aggoswami said. I too suggest the 1.1 it's not under powered by any means for city use, the low end torque is very good.
Also there is no evidence yet that 1.2 gives more FE than 1.1, infact some report the opposite!

manish7 · 9th January 2009, 13:02

BTW, are you not getting some good deals on i10? I believe you should at least get insurance free and few freebies. DO ask!

aka_iitd · 9th January 2009, 13:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by arindambasu13

Hey guys,

Another question is whether Advaith Hyundai (residency Road) is a good dealership for Hyundai? Or is Trident (Sankey Road) better? What is your experience, Bangy Hyundai owners?

I say try Trident. I know one person. He helped me in getting getz at good price. Earlier i went to Residency road and the deal was not very good. Need help of that number PM me. Ask for goodies etc at Trident they easily give rather than Advaith. This is my personal experience.

mobike008 · 9th January 2009, 13:15

Arindam, check my thread for details on the deal that i got for a 1.2 Kappa ( Magna Variant). Hope the list of freebies can give you an idea how much you can twist the dealer's arm.

Infact, aim for a higher freebie list

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-d...omes-home.html

9th January 2009, 09:57	#1
arindambasu13 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,611 Thanked: 2,558 Times	I10 1.1. irde OR 1.2 kappa? Hey Guys, Need your expert advice on this. My better half is planning to buy a new car, and given the fact that she comes from Goa, where traffic is not the horror that it is in Bangalore, she is looking for a car that is an easy city runabout with the occasional out of town trips. We have more or less decided on the i10, after also having considered the A-Star, Swift, Santro, Alto, and Spark (which she already has in Goa). Now my dilemma is choosing between the 1.1 irde powerplant and the 1.2 Kappa. I am all for the Kappa engine, being the power-hungry BHPian that I am but would like your advice on what the pros and cons of the 2 engines are. I believe the 1.2 Magna engine is priced around 40k more than the 1.1 (Era), from the qoutes given by Advaith Hyundai. I shall be driving the car 50% of the time, since she is not charmed by the state of Bangay roads, lol! So folks, which one should it be- 1.1 or 1.2? Priorities are: Good ride, Power, Fuel Efficiency and ease of driving, in that order. Thanks in anticipation Arindam.
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9th January 2009, 10:12	#2
luky_13 BHPian Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 580 Thanked: 156 Times View My Garage	Kappa all the way ! Go for the Kappa engine you get 20% more power over IRDE and also better FE, its a more advanced motor. In the long run resale of Kappa would be higher than IRDE. For 40K more i think its good VFM.
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9th January 2009, 10:41	#3
DCEite Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: NCR Posts: 3,590 Thanked: 3,483 Times	If you are strictly driving in city limits and plan to sell off the car within 3-4 years, go for the 1.1 IRDE. The reason is that the IRDE feels more peppy in the city thanks to a better drivebility in lower gears, specially 3rd gear. You don't really feel want for power unless you hit the highways, where the 80BHP Kappa obviously does better. However, being an old engine, i doubt if it will be able to meet future emission norms. Kappa engine is already E-V complaint. So if you are planning to keep the car long term, go for the Kappa. Also, top end variants with all the bells and whistles are available only with the Kappa engine.
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9th January 2009, 10:48	#4
aaggoswami Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Vadodara Posts: 4,997 Thanked: 3,000 Times	1) If the car is going to do duty on city roads for more than 80% of time, go for 1.1. Smaller engine, but is better as compared to 1.2 for city duties. 2) If you are going to use the car more, then test drive both and find out which is better for you, but as primarily as you are not buying the car for yourself, ask your better half to TD both 1.1 and 1.2. 3) 1.2 is a better all-rounder and infact the engine is almost perfect for the size of the car. Much better for highway driving. I will suggest you go for 1.1. Good for city driving, more FE ( although not significant ) and less capital cost involved.
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9th January 2009, 10:54	#5
phamilyman Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 5,975 Thanked: 4,673 Times	1.2 anyday man. Its only 15k more if I recall right. And well worth it. Take the fully loaded safe version. PS: Why not the spark?
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9th January 2009, 11:16	#6
AirWind Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,000 Thanked: 410 Times View My Garage	OT: An AT would be a boon in our city, so see if you can afford one? Not sure if it is offered in both the versions
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9th January 2009, 11:48	#7
mobike008 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 11,996 Thanked: 17,123 Times View My Garage	Without taking any parameter into consideration ( that's exactly how i bought a Kappa), i would recommend the Kappa. When you have already honed down to an i10, why are you even thinking of an older engine?
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9th January 2009, 11:53	#8
jango BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New York & kotayam Posts: 800 Thanked: 23 Times View My Garage	i10 Kappa TD both the variants and then decide. Personally i would suggest you to go for the 1.2L Kappa. Why wouldn't you want to drive a car with newer technology and features.
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9th January 2009, 11:57	#9
arindambasu13 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,611 Thanked: 2,558 Times	Hey guys, Thanks for your inputs. Well, as for the automatic, its a strict no-no since neither I nor the lady like the staid feel of an auto box, apart from the higher price considerations. Shes a pretty enthusiastic driver herself, so I guess the manual tranny is the way to go for her too The Spark is out, for the reasons that she already has a Spark back home in Goa, and secondly I dont trust GM service as compared to Hyundai, which i gather is quite decent, and thirdly, the looks are in favour of the i10, both exterior and of course interior too. On road price for the Magna 1.2 is quoted ar 4.57, while the 1.1 Era is 4.3. For 30 k more the 1.2 seems to be a good deal. What do you think? My heart says 1.2, since we plan to take it out for highway trips as well, and simply because the 80 horses sound really good to me for a car of this size. I shall be doing the test drive over the weekend. Another question is whether Advaith Hyundai (residency Road) is a good dealership for Hyundai? Or is Trident (Sankey Road) better? What is your experience, Bangy Hyundai owners?
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9th January 2009, 11:59	#10
kutlee Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 1,141 Thanked: 233 Times View My Garage	drove a kappa..it has potential. recommend kappa. change the airfilter and tyres if you are buying they suck!!
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9th January 2009, 12:00	#11
arindambasu13 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,611 Thanked: 2,558 Times	@mobike: Yes I was only thinking of the older engine because of the price difference, but then I found out that it was just about 30k more. So I am all for the 1.2. Lets see what the lady has to say. AM hoping she goes with my thought process
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9th January 2009, 12:04	#12
Sahil Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 6,354 Thanked: 8,002 Times	Go by what aggoswami said. I too suggest the 1.1 it's not under powered by any means for city use, the low end torque is very good. Also there is no evidence yet that 1.2 gives more FE than 1.1, infact some report the opposite!
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9th January 2009, 13:02	#13
manish7 BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pune Posts: 508 Thanked: 0 Times	BTW, are you not getting some good deals on i10? I believe you should at least get insurance free and few freebies. DO ask!
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9th January 2009, 13:15	#15
mobike008 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 11,996 Thanked: 17,123 Times View My Garage	Arindam, check my thread for details on the deal that i got for a 1.2 Kappa ( Magna Variant). Hope the list of freebies can give you an idea how much you can twist the dealer's arm. Infact, aim for a higher freebie list http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-d...omes-home.html
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