[selfdrive]

Originally Posted by supremeBaleno

But curiousity made me open the bonnet and what do I see inside ? A diesel engine from Daihatsu.

Nice! dont these have to be reapproved by the RTO?
Or is it a case of waiting till found out?

[DieselDon]

01-Dec-2012 : Times of India : No new cess on diesel cars: Govt

NEW DELHI: The government Friday said it is not considering any additional cess on diesel cars, just days after the Supreme Court asked the Centre whether a green tax needs to be imposed.

Minister of state for finance SS Palanimanickam told Lok Sabha that there is no proposal at the moment for any additional cess on diesel cars. Currently, petrol and diesel cars are taxed at the same rate, apart from attracting education cess, secondary and higher education cess and national calamity contingent duty.

Palanimanickam said this in response to a question by Lok Sabha MP Anurag Singh Thakur, who asked whether the government is considering a special cess on diesel vehicles to control their sales and make up for the subsidy that is given to the fuel.

The Supreme Court had on Monday sought the Centre's response to a radical plea for collection of 25% of the cost of a diesel car or SUV sold in the National Capital Region as green tax at the time of its purchase to deter people from buying them as they are considered more polluting than petrol cars.

Amicus curiae and senior advocate Harish Salve, who has been assisting the forest bench of the Supreme Court for nearly a decade, lamented that the benefits of switching the entire public transport system in Delhi to CNG was lost as more and more diesel cars are being added every year because of the price differential between petrol and diesel fuels.

The car industry, however , has come out strongly against any such measure, claiming that diesel vehicles are clean and not heavy polluters. "Diesel is not as polluting as it is made out to be. How can you tax a technology that is very clean and more fuel efficient?" said Vishnu Mathur, directorgeneral of industry lobby group, Society of Indian Automobile Manufacturers (Siam).

Car manufacturers have said that the government should look into the role of other polluters like diesel gensets; power producers and the industry.

[sgiitk]

They will not address the cause. Crazy pricing of Diesel.

I wonder what is the ratio of Diesel and Petrol cars being bought in Goa, now that the price differential is reduced. This can be used to extrapolate to realistic pricing (I suggest Calorific content based).

[Rufus_M]

Originally Posted by sgiitk

They will not address the cause. Crazy pricing of Diesel.

I wonder what is the ratio of Diesel and Petrol cars being bought in Goa, now that the price differential is reduced. This can be used to extrapolate to realistic pricing (I suggest Calorific content based).

sgiitk sir,
Sorry if I've missed it, but could you please explain the calorific content based pricing?

[aditya101]

I have a question ... maybe a stupid one. Shouldnt the govt actually encourage sale of diesel vehicles? The fuel is cheaper and the vehicle is more fuel efficient ... for every litre of diesel consumed instead of petrol does it not mean that the nation is saving on import bill and thus helping the economy by diverting funds to other areas?

Originally Posted by aditya101

I have a question ... maybe a stupid one. Shouldnt the govt actually encourage sale of diesel vehicles? The fuel is cheaper and the vehicle is more fuel efficient ... for every litre of diesel consumed instead of petrol does it not mean that the nation is saving on import bill and thus helping the economy by diverting funds to other areas?

This would be the dumbest of all questions. Tell me that you are kidding man.

Why would the government want to save you. You should keep on spending. On each and every spend you make, government gets a share. It may be either a sales tax or service tax or life tax or dividend tax (Considering invesment as expenditure.)

So effectively, on each and every spend they are making money. This money ideally should be used to reduce our Fiscal Deficit and for other good programs.

The bad is, most of this money turns black and leaves india. So effectively your Spending is filling others pockets. so why would they want you to save?
About FE, only the owner is bothered.

[swiftnfurious]

Haven't seen anybody talking about this recent news. So government confirms no additional duty for diesel cars. All what was done was a naive show? I kind of am surprised by the resource wastage in these kinds of actions.

NEW DELHI: The Supreme Court on Monday sought the Centre's response to a radical plea for collection of 25% of the cost of a diesel car or SUV sold in the National Capital Region as green tax at the time of its purchase to deter people from buying more polluting personal vehicles and help fight the growing levels of pollution in Delhi.

The court also sought the Union government's response to another suggestion - imposition of an annual levy of 2% of cost of existing petrol cars and 4% of diesel cars to persuade people to rely more on public transport rather than buying cars.

Amicus curiae and senior advocate Harish Salve, who has been assisting the forest bench of the Supreme Court for nearly a decade, lamented that the benefits of switching the entire public transport system in Delhi to CNG was lost as more and more diesel cars were added every year because of the price differential between petrol and diesel.

Details: http://m.timesofindia.com/india/Why-...w/17379351.cms

Centre govts answer to this

No new cess on diesel cars: Govt

NEW DELHI: The government Friday said it is not considering any additional cess on diesel cars, just days after the Supreme Court asked the Centre whether a green tax needs to be imposed.

Minister of state for finance SS Palanimanickam told Lok Sabha that there is no proposal at the moment for any additional cess on diesel cars. Currently, petrol and diesel cars are taxed at the same rate, apart from attracting education cess, secondary and higher education cess and national calamity contingent duty.

Palanimanickam said this in response to a question by Lok Sabha MP Anurag Singh Thakur, who asked whether the government is considering a special cess on diesel vehicles to control their sales and make up for the subsidy that is given to the fuel.

The Supreme Court had on Monday sought the Centre's response to a radical plea for collection of 25% of the cost of a diesel car or SUV sold in the National Capital Region as green tax at the time of its purchase to deter people from buying them as they are considered more polluting than petrol cars.

Details: http://m.timesofindia.com/business/i...w/17436671.cms

Mods: Time to update the title of the thread?

[pganapathy]

Originally Posted by sgiitk

They will not address the cause. Crazy pricing of Diesel.

I wonder what is the ratio of Diesel and Petrol cars being bought in Goa, now that the price differential is reduced. This can be used to extrapolate to realistic pricing (I suggest Calorific content based).

Am not really sure but it will be closer. Right now, only goa offers that pricing. What happens when the goa car goes out to karnataka or maharastra. They need to pay local prices, where there is a huge differential.

I sincerely hope we reach a day where petrol and diesel are priced rationally and without subsidy

[carboy]

Originally Posted by sgiitk

(I suggest Calorific content based).

How about cost based pricing - i.e. how much it costs to buy crude & refine it to make the product?

[drsingh]

^^°^^capitalism doesn't work on cost based pricing.

At the refinery petrol and diesel both cost around 45rs at present. Its due to different taxation there is price inequality between the two.

[carboy]

Originally Posted by drsingh

^^°^^capitalism doesn't work on cost based pricing.

Neither does it work on calorific content based pricing.

Originally Posted by drsingh

At the refinery petrol and diesel both cost around 45rs at present. Its due to different taxation there is price inequality between the two.

And the subsidies for diesel.

[Karan1981]

Originally Posted by carboy

How about cost based pricing - i.e. how much it costs to buy crude & refine it to make the product?

Since I trade in commodities, I can tell you one thing that crude is an extremely volatile commodity, however that makes a difference to the guy who trades intraday.

the supply data changes weekly and that apart from the global economic changes, issues and wars also affect crude heavily. All this changes the demand and supply ratio and thereby the price as well.

I don't see why the oil company will suffer in anyways? This is just the govt wanting to make money out of everything we use.

[Karan1981]

On a second thought, instead of doing all this nonsense, why don't they just remove the subsidy or in other words stop diesel cars all together.

I read someone talk about diesel cars polluting, they should see the amount of smoke that comes out of a car vs. those transport vehicles.

30 percent of the income we make goes in tax, after which we pay different types of tax on everything we buy right from furniture, house car to food we eat at a restaurant and still there is fiscal deficit, a lower GDP and what not haunting us.

If diesel is that big a problem, simply remove the subsidy and prove that it can actually solve the economic problem.

[sarathlal]

Green bench panel reccommends 30% cess on diesel cars, submits reports and recommendation to Supreme Court.

Another major quote from the news article;

Senior advocate Harish Salve startled the Supreme Court on Monday by presenting a report which established a direct link between death of 3,000 children annually in Delhi to the increased pollution level attributable mainly to more diesel cars on the roads.

The other two directly linked recommendations;
* Union of India be directed to impose additional 30% environment compensation charge on private diesel cars. Ministry of petroleum and natural gas be directed to invest revenue from this source to produce clean diesel (10 ppm sulphur) to enable nation-wide introduction of Euro V and Euro VI norms and scale up public transport

* Delhi government be directed to impose higher taxes on cars and to drastically reduce taxes on buses and public transport vehicles. Other concerned governments Haryana, Uttar Pradesh and Rajasthan in the NCR may also be directed to take similar measures

Source: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...w/30180391.cms

[MutantX]

A silly question, but will ask it anyway. Will the government also retrospectively tax the diesel cars sold similar to what they did for Vodafone? And also, it will mean that current owners will enjoy a better resale value, in fact in some cases the selling price will be more than the price bought. I suspect this is another scam in the making.