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1st October 2012, 10:05 | #181 |
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No OMCs cannot have their own system for policing and punishing the errant dealer. It is dictated by Ministry of Petroleum & Natural Gas, in a process which is full of loopholes, appeals and 2nd chances. Quote:
Many of OMC refineries are old and have been designed to process sweet crude or a mixture of sweet & Heavy crudes. IOCLs Digboi refinery is more than 100 year old, BPCLs Mumbai refinery was commissioned in 1952. IOCLs Panipat refinery which was commissioned in 1998, however processes sour & heavy crudes. Quote:
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2nd October 2012, 20:10 | #184 | |
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Are we having bonds ? If so, we are not paying international cost prevailing on day to day basis. Is crude stocked ? If yes, why are we charged higher amount for crude purchased at lower cost ? At what price IOC purchased crude ? Daily there are different rates for Crude, so how is the price adjusted ? In which currency are we paying ? If INR depreciates due to some internal problem, we end up paying higher amount, right ? Much much more details are required before saying that we are paying less amount. And not to forget the taxes. Its ineffeciency of GOI that only 3% are paying DT and not others. Only because 3% are paying DT does not mean GOI can put up a lot of IDT on fuels and other commodities. 2) Social conditions can dictate a lot of things in India, so going by your logic, Sir, if inflation is higher, can a thief say "as per prevalent social conditions, I stole something "? This is another part of anarchy. Going by your logic, can we say that Skoda is doing best under prevalent social conditions by not providing good A.S & S. ? This is not an excuse that any OMC and GOI can give. They ought to have control and act in a responsible way such that end user is not cheated. 3) If not, why they are they not giving exact figures of all things ? Why are they not able to give quality ? Excuses for all might be available, but at the end of the day, what are they capable of giving is what matters. No quality, huge loss, high salaries, perks, etc. is simply not justified. 4) Again, lot more details are required as I had mention earlier. The only indicator that we can have is quality, which is certainly lacking. There are certain details which I have but cannot reveal on an open forum. 5) Reliance was initially not provided with Subsidy. Why ? That was the major reason they could not cope up. And by the time problem was at a lower level, credibility was lost. Just like the case of Fiat, Peugeot and Camay. 6) Their efforts should be visible in terms of results. This is a simple fact. If they cant, it means they dont want to. This is not the first time that issues have been raised against quality/quantity. If they feel its headache, it means they are not able to be operate, pointing to operational inefficiencies, they should search for somebody who is much better at management. 7) They why do they crib about loss ? Just go to GOI and tell them, why come public for a price rise ? Loopholes, again point out to one or other operational inefficiency, for which common man of this nation MUST NOT SUFFER. Otherwise, its near to anarchy. 8) Old refineries is not an excuse. There were times when OMC made profits, why no upgrades at that point of time ? RIL had big problem with sour crude, they never came cribbing, invested and repaired the thing, moved on. Salaries and perks can be provided, but not upgrades ? Here, both GOI and OMC are at fault IMO. 9) Pinpoints to DT and IDT. Get these two things right, reveal the purchase of crude, cost, and taxes per litre. Things will automatically get crystal clear. -> At the end of the day, the tax payer has to pay IDT, DT and again pay for loss of OMC. -> I am afraid that one day, GOI will vote in for open trading of energy, and we would be another case similar to Enron. PS: As usual, this thread is a learning curve for me, I apologize if for any errors, but also would like to be corrected in case of any errors. | |
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