Team-BHP - The 2017 Hyundai Verna. Launched at 8 lakhs, ex-showroom Delhi

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Originally Posted by X-Factor (Post 4272461)

And TopGear rates the car 8/10 with some curious observations. Quite ironic considering the previous gen Vernas were being criticised for it's ride and handling.

why do you think that so? The new gen Verna is not just a facelift but a completely new model. Every one that has driven the car has mentioned it's ride and handling are much improved.
Infact all of the newer Hyundai car's are moving the right direction when it comes to ride, handling and dynamics.

Regards

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 4272185)

For those who've got the petrol top end automatic,

1. Kitna deti hai? :D Just curious to see how the petrol automatic model is being frugal. The older petrol auto was a notorious gas guzzler.
Did a 200 km drive on a weekend with 2 passengers and very minimum luggage. The mileage returned was 14.4 km/litre. The maximum speed I did was 80 kmph.
2. Do you guys really use the ventilated seats? Does it provide a noticeable difference?
The ventilated seats were used, and oh yes, it did make a lot of difference particularly with the sun shining brightly outside.
3. How's the handling so far? The diesel being heavier would have different dynamics but how's the petrol handling?

Handling was good with the speed being not more than 80 kmph. The small stretch of bad road that we encountered was handled very well by the suspension which I feel is on the harder side.

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Originally Posted by hiren.mistry (Post 4272520)

Well, looks like my comment didn't come across how I intended. I was rather highlighting the pros in comparison with older models and I completely agree that ride and handling is good in new Verna. Infact I am waiting for my car to be delivered:)

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Originally Posted by Silverfire (Post 4271827)

Was looking for a good Petrol powered car in the ~15 lakh range and had narrowed down the Creta SX+
With the launch of the new Verna, the Creta feels like a barebones package for the top end petrol.

I was comparing the Verna SX Petrol (which is superb value for money) with the similarly priced Creta E+ Petrol.

Below are the features missing on the Creta:

Reverse parking camera & sensors
Fog Lamps
Defogger
Height adjust belts
Speed sensing locks
Auto Headlamps
Electro chromic mirror
Alloys
Projector Headlamps
DRLs & Cornering Lamps
Shark Fin antenna
climate control
Height adjustable seats
Auto OVRMs

However, what it misses in features, it makes up for it (well, not entirely!), in interior space, SUV styling and ground clearance.

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Originally Posted by Silverfire (Post 4272336)

The only redeeming factor for the Verna was that the seats are contoured better and have better thigh support.

Wonder why we are even having this discussion comparing Creta with Verna. While i am not singling out this specific response, but I see people wonering whether they should buy a Creta or a Verna. Hyundai wants you to believe that Verna and Creta cater to two different customer segments. You either belong to the Creta (C segment SUV) segment or a Verna (C segment sedan) segment. Stating the obvious, one cannot be in the market at a given point in time shopping for both at the same time. Products are not designed and sold keeping in mind overlapping/confused customer segments. Then we should not have 'segments', rather a 'continuum'

For instance, someone was comparing the boot sizes of both vehicles. And then Ground Clearance ... :deadhorse. But why? please:

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Originally Posted by bhaskaracs (Post 4272680)

For instance, someone was comparing the boot sizes of both vehicles. And then Ground Clearance ... :deadhorse. But why? please:

This is a very common scenario. Customers decide a budget and mostly have a set of criteria they would like their new vehicles to have. Within these - they set out to find their best choice of vehicle. For example - A costumer might have a 15L budget, wants a good diesel engine, and all safety features. He would certainly look at these two vehicles - the Verna and Creta.

Even looking at the sales history of the previous generation Verna, it is clear that the customers started comparing the Verna to the Creta after its launch and migrated. It was not the City that really impacted the Verna - it was the Creta.

Looking beyond Hyundai - it's a global shift towards SUVs, across segments. The C segment and D segment sedans are struggling because of the rise of their corresponding SUV segments. The traditional SUVs like Safari and Scorpio were a big departure from the sedans and had their own patrons, but the crossovers really offer the best of both worlds and buyers tend to compare them with sedans.

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Originally Posted by bhaskaracs (Post 4272680)

This can go very off topic, but the fact that consumers do it is why few analysts are claiming that C segment sedans are struggling to separate themselves from both the sub 4m SUV and crossovers.

Most people look for the best car in X budget. Most ownership reviews you will see here on Team BHP will show that the buyer has tested cars across multiple segments. Primary concern for most buyers is price. Shape comes after that.

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Originally Posted by bhaskaracs (Post 4272680)

Stating the obvious, one cannot be in the market at a given point in time shopping for both at the same time. Products are not designed and sold keeping in mind overlapping/confused customer segments. Then we should not have 'segments', rather a 'continuum'

For instance, someone was comparing the boot sizes of both vehicles. And then Ground Clearance ... :deadhorse. But why? please:

We have segments in the market and they are defined by price. Both Verna & Creta fall in the same segment C2. As others have mentioned here, customers look at price and try to get the best vehicle for their money. But other than that here are other reasons you might want to compare these two in particular:

1. Same company so exact same buying and servicing experience.
2. Same engine
3. Almost the same infotainment system
4. Same alloys
5. Similar handling, suspension and steering philosophy
6. Similar HVAC system and controls

So you can see, they are very similar cars, just different bodyshells.

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Originally Posted by Silverfire (Post 4272778)

We have segments in the market and they are defined by price. Both Verna & Creta fall in the same segment C2.

So you can see, they are very similar cars, just different bodyshells.

You forgot to mention that they are based on different platforms which are leagues apart. One drive on undulated, bumpy roads is enough even for a novice to understand the differences.

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Originally Posted by Silverfire (Post 4272778)

OT: Segments are normally defined by size and body type, and then by the brand positioning.
By the logic you mentioned above a BMW 520d is pointless because its similar to a 320d.

Creta is the best seller in its segment because Hyundai pretty well nailed on the requirements the buyer look for in its segment. Same goes with the Verna also – for me it has got the ingredients to be successful when pitted against the likes of City, Ciaz etc.

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Originally Posted by Rodie09 (Post 4274013)

Eagerly waiting for the official review. Its been almost a month since launch. Is a tbhp review coming? Can't say if it usually takes this long.

Tiguan and Nexon are still in the pipeline.

So, Verna being a very important launch will take time as well, and should mostly come out after the above two.

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Originally Posted by Silverfire (Post 4272778)

Both Verna & Creta fall in the same segment C2.
So you can see, they are very similar cars, just different bodyshells.

Will have to disagree with you there buddy. But the difference in platform surely is evident like drive2eternity has said below.

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Originally Posted by drive2eternity (Post 4274066)

They are based on different platforms which are leagues apart. One drive on undulated, bumpy roads is enough even for a novice to understand the differences.

I've driven the previous gen Verna, Fluidic Elantra, Creta, new Elantra and new Verna. And I must say the difference is obvious. Although the Creta's ride was improved over the old Verna and Elantra, the K2 platform surely has been a drastic improvement. The new Elantra felt so much more confident around corners and undulating roads than the Fluidic Elantra. And there's a reason why the new Verna is called a baby Elantra, and it's not just skin deep.

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Originally Posted by vb-san (Post 4274069)

Creta is the best seller in its segment because Hyundai pretty well nailed on the requirements the buyer look for in its segment. Same goes with the Verna also – for me it has got the ingredients to be successful when pitted against the likes of City, Ciaz etc.

Indeed! The Verna surely has got enough to give others a run for their money!

Friends, pardon me if this was already discussed.

I was going through the 2017 Verna brochure and noticed that they have mentioned only "ABS" and not "ABS with EBD". The earlier generation Verna had ABS with EBD.

Can anyone who has taken delivery of 2017 Verna confirm if it is only ABS or ABS with EBD? If I understand correctly, ABS and EBD can exist independently of each other. However, how important is EBD? Just wondering why Verna has omitted EBD or is it only in brochure?

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Originally Posted by Simhi (Post 4275264)

Image from the manual. My assumption is that its with ABS+EBD.