[desdemona]

Most unlikely, largely because this engine's emissions performance is not good enough, AFAIK (new emissions rules coming up in bothe India, and europe, the only large diesel-in-small-pv markets.)

imo, if this deal involves engine sharing in India (doubtful), it is likelier that Toyota/Daihatsu too will adopt the 1.3 mjd2 come 2020 or so when the new emissions regulations kick-in, although THAT date too is uncertain.

Toyota have been extremely vocal about the unviability of the new investments entailed in trying to upgrade their (imo already less than competitive) small (and bigger) diesel engines for the new 2020 or so regulations in India. In europe, Toyota is very much moving full-on towards hybrids, even on their smallest models there, just as soon as the eu rules are settled.

[CRtorquefan]

Originally Posted by desdemona

Toyota have been extremely vocal about the unviability of the new investments entailed in trying to upgrade their (imo already less than competitive) small (and bigger) diesel engines for the new 2020 or so regulations in India. In europe, Toyota is very much moving full-on towards hybrids, even on their smallest models there, just as soon as the eu rules are settled.

Spot on.
Petrol hybrids will be the tech of coming future. Definitely a small car with Petrol-Hybrid powertrain delivering 25-28kmpl will be more justified over Diesel powered variant, if priced similarly i.e ₹1-1.5 lacs higher over basic petrol powered corresponding variant, reason being more refined operation, lower maintenance & longer product life. Sharing technologies or parts or powertrain will give both these companies economies of scale to price them competitively.

[volkman10]

Toyota -Suzuki alliance to start with Hybrid platform?

On December 6, last year, it announced that it developed "new hybrid system" which improved fuel efficiency by about 20% while improving power performance by about 10%.

The company is planning to gradually expand the models equipped with the new hybrid system in the future, and it is said that it will be installed in over 60% of the cars to be sold in major markets around the world by 2021.

Under such circumstances, Reuters seems to be planning to supply a new hybrid system to Mazda, Subaru and Suzuki, which are in partnership with each other since 2020, for the purpose of disseminating own environmental technologies and early recovery of development investment

As Mazda, Subaru and Suzuki alliance partners are strengthening environmental regulations in Europe and the United States, it is difficult for them to cover all the technologies involving huge investment, and development costs accompanying environmental measures are increasing by more than 1 trillion yen Toyota Even so, I would like to suppress investment through external sales of own hybrid system. So in the new hybrid system, unlike previous systems, it seems that they are considering installing in other companies' cars, and if investment collection is accelerated by external sales, management resources can be transferred to the development of electric vehicles such as EV and FCV Benefits are born.

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[Mpower]

Originally Posted by GTO

Historically, Toyota has always lent a helping hand to weaker Japanese companies. Am sure it gets a nudge from the Japanese government too.

Toyota doesn't need Suzuki. It's Suzuki that needs Toyota. Suzuki is too small a manufacturer to invest in EVs, hydrogen-fuel cell vehicles, self-driving cars etc. It simply doesn't have the money.

You are right but I'm not sure what Toyota is getting out of helping their primary competitor. Its less than a year since they took full control over Daihatsu which is Suzuki's arch rival in the small car space

Toyota has long struggled to make an impact in the small car segment at home & globally (B & C segment) Can’t say it for lack of trying because as we all know, they failed with the Liva as well with the Swift outselling it 10:1

What surprised me was their strategy for India. Given that Suzuki products have always been well received in India, it’s a no brainer that Daihatsu’s lineup would also be. In addition, Daihatsu also had diesel expertise that Suzuki never really had until recently. Instead they send their Toyota engineers and product planners to study the market and came up with the lackluster Liva and Etios which have served the cab market well

Even in Europe, which is a huge market for B & C segment market cars, they have struggled to make a dent despite reinventing themselves over and over again by starting a manufacturing plant, studio, development center and doing a JV with PSA and now BMW

It’s for this reason that they always maintained a collaboration & financial stake with Daihatsu which has grown stronger over the years and also badged a couple of their products as Toyotas. In 2016, Toyota took full control of Daihatsu

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/01/31/t...su-small-cars/

[volkman10]

Toyota - Suzuki alliance gains traction - more details on 6th Feb.

Toyota Motor Corporation and Suzuki agreed to broadly agree on a comprehensive alliance in a wide range of fields centered on the development of advanced technology on 4th. In the future, we will start negotiations for finalizing cooperation fields.

We will continue to consider capital tie-ups such as cross-shareholdings

TS

[volkman10]

What to expect of the Toyota- Suzuki Collaboration ?

1. Partnership agreement to develop technology, including self-driving cars

2.The partnership will also cover areas such as development and procurement, which includes applications for information technology and sharing sources for parts in Japan and abroad

3.Suzuki and Toyota's unit Daihatsu Motor will continue to sell automobiles under their separate brands to avoid risks related to antitrust laws

The partnership could in the future entail a capital link, including cross-shareholding to deepen the alliance of both groups.

Reuters

[volkman10]

Toyota, Suzuki sign memorandum on business partnership -Cooperation to include IT, safety technology.





The deal will increase the number of vehicles that Toyota and its allies make each year to at least 18 million.

Toyota Motor and Suzuki Motor announced they have signed a memorandum on a business partnership. The two automakers will start "concrete examinations" toward cooperation in technology development as well as mutual supply of products and components.

The partnership, which the Japanese automakers had been exploring since October, is expected to include cooperation on electric vehicles, self-driving technology and joint sourcing for parts in Japan and abroad. The companies will work out the specifics of the cooperation later and might also consider deepening their group ties through cross-shareholding agreements and other capital links.

If they are to explore capital ties, the two will have to tread carefully so as not to run afoul of antitrust laws. Suzuki and Toyota unit Daihatsu Motor together control over 60% of Japan's market for mini-vehicles

From the Press release-

Toyota President Akio Toyoda said: "The words of Chairman Osamu Suzuki at our joint press conference in October last year―'If you are running a company, you have to continue to take on challenges. You are running your company for the benefit of society, and this remains unchanged.'―deeply resonated within me. This, I felt, was indeed the spirit of (the local expression) "Let's do it". Both of our companies, which trace their roots to Enshu (the western part of Shizuoka Prefecture), intend to apply to the fullest the spirit of "Let's do it", and we want to cooperate toward enabling all people throughout the world to truly experience the joy of mobility and to achieving a society of future mobility full of smiles. I am truly thankful for having been given this opportunity to work together with a company such as Suzuki, which overflows with the spirit of challenge. Toyota looks forward to learning much."

Suzuki Chairman Osamu Suzuki said: "Under the leadership of President Akio Toyoda, Toyota was enthusiastic throughout our discussions regarding partnership, even though such was sought by Suzuki, which was concerned about the development of advanced technologies. I want to express my heartfelt appreciation. In response to Toyota's display of enthusiasm, Suzuki also intensively engaged in the discussions, and we now stand at the starting point for building a concrete cooperative relationship. I want to give this effort our fullest and to aim at producing results that will lead Toyota to conclude that it was the right thing for Toyota to have decided to work together with Suzuki."

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[abs182]

The following article puts a lot of things in perspective regarding the tie-up.

http://www.livemint.com/Companies/Fp...ToyotaSuz.html

[chncar]

I hope the competition/antitrust agencies look at this deal very carefully. The last thing that we need in a market with Maruti having 50% share is another 25% being locked in through some nexus with Toyota.

[volkman10]

India to be an important part of Toyota-Suzuki Motor business partnership - will tread carefully to avoid risks in antitrust laws.

India will play an important part in the business partnership announced on Monday by Toyota Motor Corporation and Suzuki Motor.
it could mean Toyota and Suzuki could work closely on smaller hybrid vehicles and source components jointly which would increase the economies of scale and bring down the cost, at a time when challenges on emission on eroding natural resources are on the rise.

How soon the work will crystallize will be known only after the preliminary blueprint is finalized.

A core team from the two companies are privy to the discussions. A person involved in the discussion from Toyota's side could be Naomi Ishii, the former MD of Toyota Kirloskar, who is a key member of the strategy team.

As we hear that India is one of the candidate regions considered to be covered in the implementation of this partnership, we at TKM look forward to the outcome under this memorandum

ET

[volkman10]

TMr. Akio Toyoda, President Toyota, and Mr. O. Suzuki, Chairman Suzuki meet Indian PM . The Toyota-Suzuki business partnership, and future technological developments came up for discussion.

More details expected to be revealed.

the partnership will promote Make in India, and contribute to employment generation. It also opens up scope for export of new technology cars from India.

Toyota-Suzuki partnership is expected to enable India to use new technological developments. Further, high volumes will enable local manufacture of components required for these technologies.

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[volkman10]

Originally Posted by volkman10

More details expected to be revealed.

Toyota - Suzuki alliance gets cosy. Details specific to India revealed. After meeting the PM of India, PMO office issues a statement in the PMO's website.

The two companies will promote manufacturing in India and also look at options to export Indian-made new technology vehicles

Maruti Suzuki's RC Bhargava reveals all details

in those discussions and the intention of both the president of Toyota and the chairman of Suzuki were to apprise the Prime Minister that this partnership is happening. That under this partnership there will be transfer of these new technologies which Toyota has and Suzuki doesn’t have to India and how the transfer of these technologies will benefit the Indian market and how it will lead to manufacturing what I mentioned just now about the manufacture of components and that once these smaller vehicles are being made in India with Toyota technology applied to them it will be possible to look for external markets for them also.

Toyota is the leader in technology in most areas in the automobile segment. What this partnership will allow is that those technology in course of time will become available to Maruti in India and because those technologies will be used by Maruti and the volume of Maruti is high it will enable all the components required for those technologies also to be manufactured in India, thereby both lowering costs and making it easier for customers to maintain their vehicles in India.

There is a whole lot of technology, strong hybrids Suzuki does not have at all. In the areas of IT related applications automobiles Toyota is way ahead of Suzuki. In electric vehicles (EVs) Toyota is I believe the largest holder of patents even they don’t manufacture any EVs because they think EVs are not a practical proposition but they still have a very large investment in R&D in EVs. In terms of safety in technologies Toyota is by far the leader in the world. So, all these technologies are with Toyota they are not with Suzuki and Suzuki is not in a position to invest adequately to do research in all these areas.

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[volkman10]

The Maruti-Toyota combine is exploring an affordable hybrid vehicle, for which India may become an export hub.

whatever technology it gets from Toyota will surely be deployed in India,

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[volkman10]

Akito Tachibana, managing director, Toyota Kirloskar Motor (TKM) lauds achievements of Maruti Suzuki, awaiting execution of the global pact between the two.

We can learn a lot from Maruti Suzuki

spoke about the firm’s focus on safety and hybrid technology, and also said TKM could learn from market leader Maruti Suzuki once the global pact between the two was executed.

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[volkman10]

Maruti Suzuki's chairman R C Bhargava touches on Suzuki- Toyota alliance in his recent interview.

We are already a producer of the mild hybrids which are developed by Suzuki but Suzuki and Toyota have decided to enter into talks, developing a partnership which will cover three main areas of the automobile industry. One of those areas is technologies relating to the environment which means hybrids and electric vehicles and those stocks are on between the two companies in Japan. Toyota has the largest number of patents in the world both in respect of hybrid cars as well as for electric cars. If these talks between Suzuki and Toyota are successful and they lead to a partnership where technology exchanges take place, then India will be able to benefit substantially by what know how and IPR is available with Toyota on the area both of hybrid cars and electric vehicles

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