[Aroy]

Originally Posted by Karthik Chandra

shankar.balan has suggested some improvements to the existing Thar in terms of safety, comfort and ergonomics while retaining the Jeep DNA of the Thar. Why do you feel the below would take the price to 20L?

but it need not be post purchase options, it can be another variant of Thar that has what shakar.balan has suggested as stock fitment

We have to understand the economics and duty structure of vehicle manufacture in India. What sells for $10,000/ in US sells for more than twice here. The reasons are taxes. The base cost of the vehicle manufacture without taxes is less than half that of the ex-showroom price. So, for example, Thar is a 4L vehicle that becomes 8L ex-showroom that further increases to nearly 10L OTR approximately.

As BD had pointed out Thar is just a SWB Bolero - as basic vehicle as can be marketed at minimum possible price. To get any where near the level of the current Wrangle will require a lot of redesign and enhancements.

Why Post Purchase Options? Today a lot of charges are levied on the ex-showroom price, so adding options/variants will increase the ex-showroom price, hence increase the insurance, road tax and other cess the Government will foist on us from time to time. Few would like to pay 20%+ (at times 40%) of the list price for the factory fitted options. Better to have them fitted post purchase.

Why 20L+ As a lot of electronics is involved in all the suggested enhancements, it will cost a lot. Let us see how the OTR Bangalore increases with additional options
. Thar CRDE 4x4 - 8.5L
. Scorpio 4x4 : 16L.
. Yeti 4x4 : 27L.
. Fortuner 4x4 : 34L.
So refinements and extra options do cost money. The Wrangler has a lot more options than any of the above.

Here are some enhancement which are costly to implement
. ABS - requires electronics
. Air Bags require electronics and sensors in bumper
. Electric on-the-fly 4x4 has to be rugged enough with substantial water proofing. The current ones on Scorpio and Safari suffer from water ingress
. Hill descent and other off road aids are expensive to implement if it has to be rugged enough.
. Suspension and the rugged transmission - heavy duty axles, differentials and Lockers

If you go through the specifications of a Wrangler, every component used is extremely rugged and designed for hard use. That is why it costs between $30K and $45K in US. Do not expect it to cost less even if it is made fully in India.

[RavenAvi]

Jeep C-SUV (the 2017 Compass) has been spotted completely undisguised for the very first time!

Translated:

The unit photographed by AUTOO team was being participating in the production of the model of disclosure of material, which will be presented to the press at the end of September (the AUTOO was not invited).
Successor to the current off Compass, the new SUV Remainder in attractive and sporty style. Brings unfailing grid seven divisions of the brand, but with tapered headlights and huge wheels with rectangular fenders another trademark of the Jeep.
The profile also very reminiscent of the truck Toro, Fiat, who also inherits some solutions. It's a beautiful car live, sleeker and sportier profile than the Renegade and its off-road grip.
The spotted version is Limited-end, which will turbodiesel engines 2.0 and the new 2.0 flex Tigershark with at least 160 horsepower - the transmission is automatic 9-speed ZF.

Autoo Brazil

[k_ajay]

The undisguised photos seem to be captured at a location which looks like an Advertisement for the C-Suv is being shot.

Looks very appealing though.

[wilful]

Yes it looks appealing all right. And to me, looks as if it is a bit bigger than the Duster. Maybe it is the angle of the pics? Is this really the CUV that is supposedly India bound?

[volkman10]

Originally Posted by wilful

Yes it looks appealing all right. And to me, looks as if it is a bit bigger than the Duster. Maybe it is the angle of the pics? Is this really the CUV that is supposedly India bound?

Yes this is India bound but the SUV sits above the Jeep Renegade. Entry variant is likely to rival Hyundai's Tucson, expected starting price @ ~ 17 lakhs.

Will rival Honda's CR-V, Toyota's Fortuner and Ford's Endeavour.

[motorworks]

Originally Posted by volkman10

Yes this is India bound but the SUV sits above the Jeep Renegade.



Will rival Honda's CR-V, Toyota's Fortuner and Ford's Endeavour.

If this is to compete against the Fortuner then it just doesn't have that size and presence. In the pics it looks very compact almost the size of a Creta or at best the size of the upcoming Tuscon.

[RavenAvi]

Originally Posted by k_ajay

The undisguised photos seem to be captured at a location which looks like an Advertisement for the C-Suv is being shot.

Captured on camera in front of a Brazilian hotel where it's supposed to be unveiled for an official company presentation.

Originally Posted by wilful

Yes it looks appealing all right. And to me, looks as if it is a bit bigger than the Duster. Maybe it is the angle of the pics? Is this really the CUV that is supposedly India bound?

It looks just like a mini-Cherokee so I bet it's dimensionally similar to what you are thinking.

Yes, this C-SUV will be manufactured at Fiat's Ranjangaon plant in Pune from early next year onwards. An Indian launch is on the cards around Q3-2017.

Jeep will be aiming for a high level of localisation for this C-SUV offering.

Originally Posted by motorworks

If this is to compete against the Fortuner then it just doesn't have that size and presence. In the pics it looks very compact almost the size of a Creta or at best the size of the upcoming Tuscon.

I think the prices will be competitive and this will go up against the XUV500/Tucson, in the 17-23 lakh rupee price range.

[wilful]

Originally Posted by volkman10

Yes this is India bound but the SUV sits above the Jeep Renegade. Entry variant is likely to rival Hyundai's Tucson, expected starting price @ ~ 17 lakhs.

Will rival Honda's CR-V, Toyota's Fortuner and Ford's Endeavour.

Originally Posted by RavenAvi

Captured on camera in front of a Brazilian hotel where it's supposed to be unveiled for an official company presentation.




It looks just like a mini-Cherokee so I bet it's dimensionally similar to what you are thinking.

Yes, this C-SUV will be manufactured at Fiat's Ranjangaon plant in Pune from early next year onwards. An Indian launch is on the cards around Q3-2017.

Jeep will be aiming for a high level of localisation for this C-SUV offering.




I think the prices will be competitive and this will go up against the XUV500/Tucson, in the 17-23 lakh rupee price range.

The OTR prices would then be in the range of 21 to 25 lacs.
While it may not attract buyers looking for the sheer presence of an Endeavour or Fortuner, I get the feeling that it will do some significant numbers. The important thing is, will it sport the Jeep moniker or the Fiat?

[21Archer84]

Originally Posted by wilful

The important thing is, will it sport the Jeep moniker or the Fiat?

This is and will be a Jeep and no FIAT, it's a global program and FCA is investing in its Indian plant majorly for this.

Not sure why you have a doubt of it being a Fiat. If you are thinking, there's a Fiat version of this like the 500x for Renegade , you are mistaken.

[volkman10]

Originally Posted by wilful

The important thing is, will it sport the Jeep moniker or the Fiat?

The C- SUV Project 551 ( Compass) will no doubt be from Jeep.

The smaller S/Compact UV ( Creta, EcoSport rival) is I guess you are referring to which is due in 2018 and specific to Brazil, India and emerging markets is still not clear whether is will be from Jeep or Fiat, but reports from SA markets tend to report it as from FIAT.

[shankar.balan]

To me this CUV looks quite almost exactly like a Jeep Cherokee Latitude which I used in the US. It doesn't seem much different at all.

And this, cannot be badged here in India as a Fiat, if Jeep know whats good for them. They should do everything in their power to leverage the Jeep brand with this vehicle.

To me, given its size and what I can see of it, it should go up directly against the Yeti, Audi Q3, Merc GLA and BMW X1, Fortuner, Santa Fe etc...

Lets remember that not everyone in India who buys an SUV is seeking "Presence" - a much maligned word if you ask me.

The consumers have evolved beyond mere "Size" and are quite capable these days, of appreciating "functionality", "safety" and the like, all rolled into a relatively compact package which is easier to handle, drive and park in a city.

[wilful]

Originally Posted by 21Archer84

This is and will be a Jeep and no FIAT, it's a global program and FCA is investing in its Indian plant majorly for this.

Not sure why you have a doubt of it being a Fiat. If you are thinking, there's a Fiat version of this like the 500x for Renegade , you are mistaken.

Yes it looks unmistakably Jeep. The doubt arose because of the thread heading.

[21Archer84]

Originally Posted by wilful

Yes it looks unmistakably Jeep. The doubt arose because of the thread heading.

My bad. It should have been part of the Jeep thread. I doubt if it'll have the 1.5l, as that would make injustice to its capabilities. 2.0l though should be standard.

[k_ajay]

Originally Posted by RavenAvi

Captured on camera in front of a Brazilian hotel where it's supposed to be unveiled for an official company presentation.

Yeah, maybe. But everything in that image is screaming loud the possibility of a photo shoot/ad shoot.

[RavenAvi]

Some more info about the 2 models Jeep has specifically planned for India:

According to five people in the know of the company's plans, the C Segment Jeep which is internally code named 556 is expected to be launched within a year around August and it will be exported to a lot of right hand drive markets.

And the more ambitious B segment Jeep which is internally codenamed 526 may be a sub- 4 metre sports utility vehicle and take on the likes of Maruti Suzuki Vitara Brezza and Ford EcoSport. The company confirmed the production of C Jeep from 2017 but did not comment on products beyond.

The company has already brought in two vehicle line directors from Italy and the localized project is taking concrete shape. The first few hundred units of C Jeep of 556 will be made by the end of the year and Fiat will test the vehicles before rolling it out the manufacturing line in Ranjangaon on the outskirts of Pune from the second half of 2017.

Fiat Chrysler is planning to position Jeep at a little premium over existing mass SUVs like Hyundai Creta, Mahindra Scorpio or Ford EcoSport. But package the vehicle with loads of features.

The company has benchmarked BMW X1 for C Jeep and it is planning to make it available at Rs 15 lakh to Rs 20 lakh, whereas the B Jeep is benchmarked against the higher segment SUV and it is likely to start at Rs 10 lakh.

"The smaller B Jeep is a mini-Renegade SUV and it is created largely for markets like India. The company is planning on annual volumes of about 40,000 to 50,000 units per annum, with some portfolio going to exports market," said the person involved with the company requesting anonymity.

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