[DuHasstMich]

Originally Posted by a4anurag

Who is going to strictly monitor these offence so that offenders do NOT escape via the bribe route?!

If we look at it the other way, if for a Rs.200 fine, the bribe was Rs.50 earlier, then the bribe for a Rs. 1000 fine (for the same offence) will be Rs.200 now.
How many repeat offenders will be willing to pay even Rs.200 on a regular basis?

I am hoping that violations will reduce because cops will also get greedy and demand more!

[LionX]

"The amendment to the motor vehicles Act will now be introduced in the Rajya Sabha on Tuesday. If the House does not suggest any further changes, then it will be moved to the President for his assent"

http://www.livemint.com/Politics/1dz...rt-sector.html

[binum]

Does this bill address the tax issues while purchasing out of state vehicles? Do we now have to pay life time road tax again if it s already paid in the state from where I am buying the vehicle?

[sushantr5]

Does anybody know where is this Amendment? As per knowledge with me it is pending for Rajyasabha Approval.

We are waiting for it endlessly and we are yet to get clear idea what reforms it is going to bring. All media talk is superficial and their analysis stops at amount of fine.

[Arjun Reddy]

Here is the latest.

https://m.economictimes.com/news/pol...paign=ETFBMain

[LionX]

"Amendments proposed by the opposition parties take away some of the very changes the government wants to bring in through the Bill. The government, it is learnt, is trying to get the Bill passed by next week"

https://indianexpress.com/article/in...-bill-5274459/

[rags]

The main corruption in RTO is the vehicle registration expenses which the dealer shares with the officials to get the vehicle registrered ranges between 2500 to 10000/- depending on the invoice value. this must be curbed by giving the onus to the dealer himself. and the road tax shall be remitted to the treasury online by the dealer.
there is no question of power transfer as claimed by the RS member Mr Hari prasad.

[AlphaKilo]

Originally Posted by rags

The main corruption in RTO is the vehicle registration expenses which the dealer shares with the officials to get the vehicle registrered ranges between 2500 to 10000/- depending on the invoice value. this must be curbed by giving the onus to the dealer himself. and the road tax shall be remitted to the treasury online by the dealer.
there is no question of power transfer as claimed by the RS member Mr Hari prasad.

Do you think that is going to stop the corruption? In turn, the dealer will increase his profit margin quoting the above and reduce the price reduction possibilities.

IMHO, as long as the last person in the chain (be it the sales manager/rep or the Traffic constable in the junction) does not consciously decide to play morally with ethics, the bribe and cheating part will continue to happen. We are ingenious people and will always find loopholes.

Even before the new fine slab taking effect, already the Traffic police (only a few) in Chennai have started threatening people that fine amount is XXXX, pay that or pay me which will be XXX.

[pedrolourenco]

I have been hearing about this "New Bill" with hefty fines for many years now. What is so difficult in introducing and implementing it?
What we badly need is a totally new MV Act to replace the ancient one we currently have. All these guys need to do is copy the MV Act (or whatever it is called) of France, Germany or Netherlands and rename it. Just like the Euro Emmission norms which are implemented as Bharat II, III, IV etc.

[Ragavsr]

Originally Posted by balajisv

Even then, a person has to shell out more than 100 to bribe the cop and that alone will start to deter the motorists.
If a small wrong happens in ensuring a bigger good, be it so!

So true. I was caught without seatbelts and had to bribe 200. Felt it was stupid of me to bribe for doing what I believe will save me sometime.

Originally Posted by AlphaKilo

Do you think that is going to stop the corruption? In turn, the dealer will increase his profit margin quoting the above and reduce the price reduction possibilities.

IMHO, as long as the last person in the chain (be it the sales manager/rep or the Traffic constable in the junction) does not consciously decide to play morally with ethics, the bribe and cheating part will continue to happen. We are ingenious people and will always find loopholes.

Even before the new fine slab taking effect, already the Traffic police (only a few) in Chennai have started threatening people that fine amount is XXXX, pay that or pay me which will be XXX.

The problem is the spot fine or DL seizure rule. Link DL to Adhaar card and allow 30 days for payment of fine.

The immoral chain has to be broken somewhere . Good example is the passport Kendra's.

Originally Posted by pedrolourenco

What we badly need is a totally new MV Act to replace the ancient one we currently have. All these guys need to do is copy the MV Act (or whatever it is called) of France, Germany or Netherlands and rename it. Just like the Euro Emmission norms which are implemented as Bharat II, III, IV etc.

They should first fix the RC transfer rule for resale vehicles where the seller must be allowed to notify the RtO and deemed free of all liability of the vehicle. Similarly the buyer should be forced to re- register the vehicle or the vehicle should be seized.

Similarly it doesn't simplify the third party insurance claim process. Don't know of a single person who claimed from the other persons third party insurance.

[hserus]

Originally Posted by Ragavsr

They should first fix the RC transfer rule for resale vehicles where the seller must be allowed to notify the RtO and deemed free of all liability of the vehicle.

That’s already there - you need to send this to your RTO with a xerox of the sale paperwork, through speedpost or registered post acknowledgment due.

https://transport.maharashtra.gov.in...R/form_tcr.pdf

[pedrolourenco]

Originally Posted by Ragavsr

The problem is the spot fine or DL seizure rule. Link DL to Adhaar card and allow 30 days for payment of fine.

The immoral chain has to be broken somewhere . Good example is the passport Kendra's.


They should first fix the RC transfer rule for resale vehicles where the seller must be allowed to notify the RtO and deemed free of all liability of the vehicle. Similarly the buyer should be forced to re- register the vehicle or the vehicle should be seized.

Similarly it doesn't simplify the third party insurance claim process. Don't know of a single person who claimed from the other persons third party insurance.

A good MV Act can take care of all this.
All you need is 2 Smart Cards, one for the Vehicle and one for the driver. The vehicle card can hold the RC details, Insurance, PUC, tax, permits etc and the Driver car can have the Licence, Badge, Medical records of the driver. All data can be stored in a central data base besides the card chips. All mobile RTO / Police units can be equipped with a card reader and an App with access to the central database.
In India the MV Act need to address the following problems:
- Uniform Tax.
- No need to change registration numbers if shifting state.
- New Registration number system which indicates year of manufacture / registration.
- HSRP for all vehicles.
- Yearly safety testing in lieu of PUC like the MOT test in UK.
- Automatic recovery of fines (Using Fastag).
- Yearly Taxation in lieu of Life Time Tax.
- Mandatory ABS, Airbags, Automatic Dippers for all vehicles.
- Higher taxation for existing vehicles without these features.
- Weekend / Holiday registration (Different coloured plates) for vehicles that can be used only on Holidays / Weekends. Ideal for enthusiasts who have a 2nd car. Obviously significantly lower taxation for this vehicles.

[tilt]

Originally Posted by hserus

Unfortunately not. If the new owner does not transfer the car to their name, and it still remains in your name, you will be held liable for any infractions or mishaps of the new owner. They are putting the onus on the seller for making sure that the buyer transfers the RC to their name.

Cheers

[binand]

Originally Posted by pedrolourenco

I have been hearing about this "New Bill" with hefty fines for many years now. What is so difficult in introducing and implementing it?

The process of creating law. PRS India tracks this:

http://www.prsindia.org/billtrack/th...ill-2016-4366/

Basically a complex law cannot be amended without consulting a bunch of ministries, departments, stakeholder groups, NGOs, statutory bodies, peoples' representatives etc. As you can see, the parliamentary committee was sitting on it between 16/8/16 and 22/12/17 (presumably conducting hearings and deliberating).

Plus there is the mandatory "parliament disruptions".

Originally Posted by pedrolourenco

What we badly need is a totally new MV Act to replace the ancient one we currently have.

That is what they are doing. Pretty much the whole thing is being rewritten.

Originally Posted by pedrolourenco

All these guys need to do is copy the MV Act (or whatever it is called) of France, Germany or Netherlands and rename it.

Facile to say that, but unless we also adopt the constitution of the source nation in question it is guaranteed to fail even the most superficial judicial attention.

[pedrolourenco]

Originally Posted by binand

The process of creating law. PRS India tracks this:

http://www.prsindia.org/billtrack/th...ill-2016-4366/

Basically a complex law cannot be amended without consulting a bunch of ministries, departments, stakeholder groups, NGOs, statutory bodies, peoples' representatives etc. As you can see, the parliamentary committee was sitting on it between 16/8/16 and 22/12/17 (presumably conducting hearings and deliberating).

This should not take more than a few months. We have been hearing about this "New Bill" for many years now. In my mind I got to guess which of the following will come first; Suzuki Jimmy, Enfield V-Twin or this Bill. All are being launched "Very Shortly" for several years now. It just looks like they don't have the will to do it.

Plus there is the mandatory "parliament disruptions".

This has being going on since Independence and will go on forever. Other Bills have been passed even with disruptions. I don't see why this one is taking so long.

That is what they are doing. Pretty much the whole thing is being rewritten.

Has anyone seen a draft copy?

Facile to say that, but unless we also adopt the constitution of the source nation in question it is guaranteed to fail even the most superficial judicial attention.

Not neccessarily. We don't need to ammend the constitution to adopt simple safety practices that the whole world follows.