Chinese Chery may drive into India

loving_alaap · 13th February 2009, 23:20

Well, just like all Chinese products, the cars looks great. But what matters is reliability, & unfortunately only initial Indian guinea pigs will know about that.

here is the link about cherry cars.

Chery International All Models

Few pics of its basic A1 Hatch

SilentEngine · 14th February 2009, 00:03

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Originally Posted by loving_alaap

Well, just like all Chinese products, the cars looks great. But what matters is reliability, & unfortunately only initial Indian guinea pigs will know about that.

here is the link about cherry cars.

Chery International All Models

Few pics of its basic A1 Hatch

that looks like a cross between u-va and grande punto.

aerohit · 14th February 2009, 00:05

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Originally Posted by GTO

Because not too many can beat the cost advantage that Maruti and Tata enjoy

Beware, be warned, very warned, about the cost advantage the Chinese can bring in.

I am not saying Indians cant, but there are some things in which the Chinese have shown their excellence in recent times.

Considering you are a business man yourself I am sure you get my point.

amulu10 · 14th February 2009, 08:58

Chinese sure can produce cheap cars.They can get away with copying in china as the intellectual property rights don't exist i suppose

. but i dont think that would be the case in india. In india i am pretty sure GM or for that matter some other international manufacture could take them to court couldn't they?

.AFAIK i think bajaj once won a case against a Chinese manufacture for copying their pulsar bikes and selling them named as GULSAR (darn these Chinese even give rhyming names lol!) in srilanka.i think bajaj was able to prevent them from selling that clone in srilanka but couldn't do much about it being sold in china

Fountainheader · 14th February 2009, 09:58

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Originally Posted by FERRO

who cares whether its copy or not ? as if we don't from where does Honda and Hyundai's get designing ideas from ?

Hyundai is an expert in copying designs. Old gen Sonata, the i20 to list a few.

But why are you dragging Honda into this ?

reppy · 14th February 2009, 11:21

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Originally Posted by aerohit

Beware, be warned, very warned, about the cost advantage the Chinese can bring in.

I am not saying Indians cant, but there are some things in which the Chinese have shown their excellence in recent times.

Considering you are a business man yourself I am sure you get my point.

I seriously doubt that - They might bring in cost advantages but thats mainly because their materials, engineering, and processes might be below Indian and/or international standards.

Indian customers have a fair understanding for VFM propositions.

GTO · 14th February 2009, 12:19

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Originally Posted by aerohit

Beware, be warned, very warned, about the cost advantage the Chinese can bring in.

True. The other part of my post was:

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That said, it will only be a matter of time before Chinese automakers compete with the best. In the 1960's people used to laugh at Japanese cars. In the 1980's people used to ridicule Korean cars. We all know how that ended up.

Chinese cars will come, and emerge successful, for sure. However, I don't think that they are ready just yet. Relevant to India, consider this : To compete with Marutis & Tatas distribution alone will require thousands of crores in investment. And the two Indian gianst offer a supreme balance in terms of quality & price = value. China may compete on the price, but I am not that sure of the value.

FERRO · 14th February 2009, 12:54

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Originally Posted by Fountainheader

Hyundai is an expert in copying designs. Old gen Sonata, the i20 to list a few.

But why are you dragging Honda into this ?

search and see for yourself how many models of Hondas are inspired from European models like BMW

mxx · 15th February 2009, 13:19

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Originally Posted by GTO

That said, it will only be a matter of time before Chinese automakers compete with the best. In the 1960's people used to laugh at Japanese cars. In the 1980's people used to ridicule Korean cars. We all know how that ended up.

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Originally Posted by aerohit

Beware, be warned, very warned, about the cost advantage the Chinese can bring in.
I am not saying Indians cant, but there are some things in which the Chinese have shown their excellence in recent times.
Considering you are a business man yourself I am sure you get my point.

Not true in my opinion.

Since the beginning Japanese car manufacturers had commitment to quality, in their products and practices.
The korean cars were not as good as the japs initially when it came to quality, but the issues were more of minor problems with air conditioning, electrical etc, but mostly not major mechanical problems.

Chinese products are different all together. Quality is almost non-existent in chinese engineered products. They are cheap for sure.

Please note that I use the word chinese engineered not chinese manufactured foreign engineered products.

chinese manufacture foreign engineered products goes through quality management procedures of the foreign company. That is the reason why many of your made in china products are not bad quality wise.

But this is not the case of chinese engineered products, specially when it comes to mechanical products.

Now this is not speculation, its a fact.

GTO · 15th February 2009, 22:34

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Originally Posted by mxx

The korean cars were not as good as the japs initially when it came to quality, but the issues were more of minor problems with air conditioning, electrical etc, but mostly not major mechanical problems.

Agreed on the Japs, but not on the Koreans. Initial Hyundai's were a DISASTER, until as late at the end of the eighties. My sister owned a Hyundai Excel when she was studying in the States, we know a thing or two of the quality tprevalent then.

mxx · 16th February 2009, 11:22

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Originally Posted by GTO

Agreed on the Japs, but not on the Koreans. Initial Hyundai's were a DISASTER, until as late at the end of the eighties. My sister owned a Hyundai Excel when she was studying in the States, we know a thing or two of the quality tprevalent then.

In that case, i am wrong about koreans. I do know of few excels which was purchased by my uncle for his company use. And they had a lot of problems as mentioned in my earlier post, but not major mech problems. So, i was referring to that.

downsouth · 16th February 2009, 15:48

Didnt we have enough of the chinese rip-offs, that we should have to deal with cars now. Frankly, sonalika could have tied up with many players out there, but going by history(Read Rhino) i think it will be a right fit.

We cannot compare, Japanese and Korean brands with chinese ones. I am surprised with this move.

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loving_alaap BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Ahmedabad Posts: 808 Thanked: 9 Times	Well, just like all Chinese products, the cars looks great. But what matters is reliability, & unfortunately only initial Indian guinea pigs will know about that. here is the link about cherry cars. Chery International All Models Few pics of its basic A1 Hatch Attached Thumbnails
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amulu10 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: detroit Posts: 243 Thanked: 19 Times	Chinese sure can produce cheap cars.They can get away with copying in china as the intellectual property rights don't exist i suppose . but i dont think that would be the case in india. In india i am pretty sure GM or for that matter some other international manufacture could take them to court couldn't they? .AFAIK i think bajaj once won a case against a Chinese manufacture for copying their pulsar bikes and selling them named as GULSAR (darn these Chinese even give rhyming names lol!) in srilanka.i think bajaj was able to prevent them from selling that clone in srilanka but couldn't do much about it being sold in china Last edited by Technocrat : 16th February 2009 at 14:32. Reason: only two smilies per post allowed
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downsouth BHPian Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: 0.1933333, 32.58333 Posts: 357 Thanked: 23 Times	Oh lord no... Didnt we have enough of the chinese rip-offs, that we should have to deal with cars now. Frankly, sonalika could have tied up with many players out there, but going by history(Read Rhino) i think it will be a right fit. We cannot compare, Japanese and Korean brands with chinese ones. I am surprised with this move.
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