[DicKy]

Originally Posted by Latheesh

~ 90% of the Tata sales are from sub 10L products (except may be few top variants). What a wasted opportunity. They can easily sell 5K each of expensive Sumo, Safari, and Sierra if they launch competitive products to carry these brand names. You can also add 1000-2000 Xenon pickups to the list.

Originally Posted by Benoit

I am surprised with Punch doing so well with just the 3 cylinder 1.2NA engine. I suppose tata would not bring a 4 cylinder 1.2NA ever. Is there any R&D even going on in Tata?

Originally Posted by simplyself

Tata needs to pull up its socks. This opinion of mine might seem strange but what I believe is, with more offerings in Creta/ Seltos space what with Strong Hybrid Toyota Hyrider and it's Maruti counterpart. If not, these hard earned gains would vanish in a couple of years.Also, TaMo should enter this hybrid space. Though I think this is not going to be because of its full focus on EV market, I wish they enter this hybrid space too. ......By the way, any one dreamt of hybrid diesels???

Good knowing am not alone.

At first glance, nothing could go wrong with Tata. They are now fighting with Hyundai for no.2 position and they have a huge jumpstart in the BEV market. No one would have thought of it in those dark 2011-2017 years of Tata.

But to my eyes, they are not taking care of the fundamentals. No work on the engine/tranny front. Persistent QC issues. Service centres that are overwhelmed. And a belief they can bide time till they jump straight into BEVs.

[CEF_Beasts]

Originally Posted by simplyself

My belief is, TaMo should enter the now competitive Creta space

Work at TAMO is in full swing for the Mid-sized SUV to take on the Creta. Will be sharing many components with the Nexon…

[lionheart_mm]

Originally Posted by CEF_Beasts

Work at TAMO is in full swing for the Mid-sized SUV to take on the Creta. Will be sharing many components with the Nexon…

Is it based on model sold by Chery brand in China?

[simplyself]

Originally Posted by DicKy

Good knowing am not alone.

At first glance, nothing could go wrong with Tata. They are now fighting with Hyundai for no.2 position and they have a huge jumpstart in the BEV market. No one would have thought of it in those dark 2011-2017 years of Tata.

But to my eyes, they are not taking care of the fundamentals. No work on the engine/tranny front. Persistent QC issues. Service centres that are overwhelmed. And a belief they can bide time till they jump straight into BEVs.

But the gap between the first and second place is almost double the second placed's volumes.

There are holes in Tata's vehicle portfolio. One is the space above that of Creta/Seltos etc. Good to know Tata is readying a model in that space.

The CS and Sedan segment too. Look at the sales of Dzire. With platform and engine available, why shouldnt Tata develop a vehicle for that segment?

Also, see the relative success of the VAG twin sedans. Here too, Tata has engine - the diesel one.

CS and Sedan numbers - especially those of CS's- are here to stay even in this booming SUV market. Ignoring that segment is losing a chance.

Another weak link is its petrol engines, as perceived by market. Develop a frugal petrol engine with decent power out put specs. In the meantime, borrow the engine from elsewhere.

Hybrid engines seem to have gained traction what with Honda, Toyota and Suzuki coming to the market within a short period of time. Tata is focussing solely on electric vehicles and has tasted success too. But hybrid seems to be more flexible, and this segment too must be explored.

[CEF_Beasts]

Originally Posted by lionheart_mm

Is it based on model sold by Chery brand in China?

AFAIK, won’t be based on the model sold by Chery in China

[smilingakash]

Originally Posted by CEF_Beasts

Work at TAMO is in full swing for the Mid-sized SUV to take on the Creta. Will be sharing many components with the Nexon…

Yes, true it has been in the rumor mills for a while now. However, I feel, Tata must look at hybrids too. Honda, Toyota and Suzuki have taken the plunge and Hyundai/Kia cannot be far behind (They have hybrid powertrains selling worldwide).

[Neversaygbye]

Originally Posted by simplyself

The CS and Sedan segment too. Look at the sales of Dzire. With platform and engine available, why shouldnt Tata develop a vehicle for that segment?

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CS and Sedan numbers - especially those of CS's- are here to stay even in this booming SUV market. Ignoring that segment is losing a chance.

Tata already has a CS in the form of the Tigor but it wasn't selling much and has only now started selling 4k units per month after the EV version came out. Apart from this one point, I agree with almost everything you said, and also agree that they are missing a proper sedan in their line up.

However, till the time Tata is dependent on just the one Revotron petrol engine (with or without Turbo), it will be hard put to differentiate a bigger sedan. So I think they need to beg, borrow and steal a few petrol engines from somewhere. The reason Maruti has so many petrol offerings across different price points is because they have a large range of engines right from the 800cc one in the Alto 800 to the 1.5 ltr one that does duty in the Ciaz and Brezza. Honda is probably the only other company which is a one trick pony when it comes to a petrol engine, but their i-vtec is infinitely superior to the Revotron. So the lack of good petrol engine options is something Tata needs to address immediately - that will also help with their Safari and Harrier which only come in diesel now.

[saisree]

Hope the strides made by TATA is not short lived. They had the Ad "Missing 20 i's" when they overtook i20 in the sales with Altroz and now Altroz sales is just 2/3rds of i20.

[CEF_Beasts]

Originally Posted by saisree

Hope the strides made by TATA is not short lived. They had the Ad "Missing 20 i's" when they overtook i20 in the sales with Altroz and now Altroz sales is just 2/3rds of i20.

Ever since Punch came in, preference is being given to the Punch over Altroz in terms of numbers on the production line.

[Latheesh]

Originally Posted by smilingakash

Yes, true it has been in the rumor mills for a while now.

I got an update few days back that Tata mid size SUV (code name black bird) is scheduled for 2023 launch.

[damodar]

Originally Posted by Latheesh

I got an update few days back that Tata mid size SUV (code name black bird) is scheduled for 2023 launch.

Isn't this mid size SUV, the CURVV which is of 4.3 meters in length?

[bordeaux]

Pardon me if I missed something but I noticed that there are no numbers for Isuzu in here. Is there a reason for that?

[diesel_head]

A couple of queries
a. Mahindra reports wholesales of approx 15 units of Verito each month. Is it still available in petrol or diesel versions? Or are these EVs?
b. Hyundai reported dispatch of 179 Kona, which is probably its highest ever monthly number. Are they clearing old stock to make room for Ioniq 5?

[ampere]

With the new Tuscon launch would be interesting to see how the 20-40L segment re-distributes. Most of Compass sales in my opinion may shift to Tuscon. Also some of the XUV bookings may too considering its waiting period.

The XUV7OO sale is impressive indeed! Clearly outlines what Ford missed in India. They being an SUV company just left the gap between Ecosport and Endeavour wide open. Could have really used that segment.

I was thinking the same about Toyota. Lets see what they do on the Hyryder.

[apachelongbow]

Originally Posted by simplyself

Tata needs to pull up its socks. This opinion of mine might seem strange but what I believe is, with more offerings in Creta/ Seltos space what with Strong Hybrid Toyota Hyrider and it's Maruti counterpart. They may compete with Creta but they could garner sales from those who wouldnt want to by Creta/ Seltos, thereby looking at Harrier. But a red herring here for this line of argument is, petrol + hybrid cost almost same as that of diesel.��

My belief is, TaMo should enter the now competitive Creta space, and have presence in dlesel CS and Sedan space as soon as possible. If not, these hard earned gains would vanish in a couple of years.

Also, TaMo should enter this hybrid space. Though I think this is not going to be because of its full focus on EV market, I wish they enter this hybrid space too.

By the way, any one dreamt of hybrid diesels???

Hybrid diesels will not work with small diesel engines. The 1 liter, 1.5 liter diesels are too small to provide consistent power without a turbo. A turbo with its boost will prevent a constant rpm operation for best battery charging. Hence petrols are easier to hybridise.