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Too much to ask if there simply needs to be clear and substantiative analysis that this move is really actually based on?

Instead of rationalising why 20% of public parking is supposed to be reserved with statistical and clear objective analysis, what is offered is a random generalisation which is supposed to be taken on face value to justify the move ?

A call on 112 would register the crime. When we have citations that based on the mere statement of a lady being allegedly shown a middle finger by a man while driving in traffic, a family man was sentenced to imprisonment, do we really actually believe a woman can be mistreated without consequence ?

Oh yes some might be. As some women might be too. Awfulness doesn't have a gender.

Lots and lots of research shows women feel unsafe and are actually unsafe in just about all public spaces.

https://www.researchgate.net/publica..._Victimization

There are certainly some awful women out there. But when it comes to sexual harassment it is near always men harassing women and not the other way around.

Although this research is specifically looking at Delhi, you will find similar research on any major town just about any country in the world.

E.g. have a look at this UK research which was also discussed in parliament

https://publications.parliament.uk/p.../701/70105.htm

Arguing about whether 5, 10, 20, or 50% of the parking space should be allocated to women drivers sort of proofs the point. Many men, don’t see the problem at all.

My wife and daughter had several unpleasant experiences in Delhi/India. I must admit that on all our travels nobody has ever made any sexual tinted comments to me. You could argue that would be due to my physical appearance. But most women around the world, irrespective of physical appearance or how they dress or look, get all sort of comments thrown at them. Sometimes it gets worse than verbal assault.

Jeroen

If the police had the alacrity and ability to respond to a parking lot dispute, we would have been living in a golden civilization. By the time the police reach, the alleged harasser would have left. The complainant would be unnecessarily flustered, and it would be a waste of police time. I bet they will be even more reluctant to file an FIR. I am not talking out of thin air, I do connect with police at the highest levels in my region occasionally and am well aware of their side of the story.

What exactly is the "inconvenience"? Given our population, growing sales of cars and insufficient parking spaces, it's fair that parking is always on first come and first serve (except for people with physical disabilities).

What I have seen many a times is that the male will drive the car up to a spot near the mall or any such parking space and then hand it over to accompanying female just for getting a reserved parking space.
Unfortunately, this not an out of the box thinking, so, many people will do it and in no time the parking reserved for women is full. rl:

Just another inconvenience for everyone.

So our roads are a nightmare to cross for kids, seniors and women too, the footpaths are non-existent for pedestrians and the policy makers are now proposing quota in parking which is impossible to enforce, prone to misuse.

The thinking of such policymakers is frightening to me as they wield power to shape traffic and parking on our roads!

More power to women!

Posts such as these really make me wish we had more women members. It is hard for men because this reservation comes at a time when parking space is already constrained. But trust me, some women would refuse to drive in bangalore just for rowdy men on the roads. I hope this rule is implemented throughout the country and at the right proportion (50%). Maybe... Maybe, we'll see more behaved drivers on the road.

I really hope to see 50% participation and reservation on every imaginable activity. If you detest such statements, pls Google why Scandinavian countries have progressed so much despite such harsh climactic conditions. If it still doesn't change your mind, you're part of the problem.

Be interesting to see the percentage of women drivers themselves. Some Indian cities and roads - Brigade Rd in BLR comes to mind - already have women-only parking. While the dim parking garage analogy might not apply to India wholly, any step towards women's safety is a good step.

I assume you are either being facetious or don't keep yourself informed of the world in general.

I'm sorry that they experienced this. Not because it happened in India, but because it happened.

Already gender biased laws are wrecking Indian families. Fake cases on Indian men are sky high. Unfortunately no one cares about welfare of men. It is as if 50% of Indian population are treated worse than animals. Even dogs have laws that care about their welfare. Many men don't even care that their fellow men are suffering. So no ministry or department of men welfare and no removal of women appeasement policies and no removal of gender biased laws possible in the foreseeable future.

I really don't see the effectiveness of a reserved public parking lot in an open space without any oversight or law enforcement. At least in a bus or a train, it is a closed environment when it comes to reserved seats or compartments.

Why don't you analyse the move objectively with data & see if there are things you knew/didn't know existed & what kind of steps would effectively to mitigate issues ?

Nobody needs to justify things for some random person on the internet, but they do need to do the necessary groundwork for civil society as a whole. Because if people find accurate information, only then they'll be able to act on it meaningfully.

Response to this topic reminds me of a news earlier this year "Fury as AA says it does NOT 'prioritise' a lone woman over a man at roadside: Customers 'CANCEL memberships' as breakdown firm confirms it does not give priority 'based on gender' ".

I will refrain from posting here anymore, as I've done before in other threads where I've seen there being a lack of willingness to actually find out the reality with objective analysis v/s blind support for doing random things to simply appease one gender (viz reckless IMO).

All the women in my family know how to drive. I will simply switch the drivers seat with them when it comes to parking the car.

You described perfectly what some women have to go through in the current age and yet somehow cannot see the usefulness of women only spots. It's to avoid incidents like these.

Men have run the world for eons now so yes the blame certainly lies with them. I'm not what "evidence" you need to see this. Women are still not adequately represented in most fields .

But yes I get you. Women getting representation is "woke" and "political" and if organization's support them it is for an agenda. Men having absolute control is no issue however and is natural and unbiased.

It's sad how most men will not get why women do this and will continue to brush the real issues under the carpet. No man will ever walk down a public garage fearing for thier safety and life and yet will come to arms if things are made less stressful for women.

Do you realise how easy it is to misuse this privilege without adequate oversight ? Just see post#26 . This is obviously just an example, but shows the futility of the exercise. Besides, just because someone has a reserved parking spot doesn't guarantee safety on the street. What if someone is accosted thereafter?

I am sorry, but a parking spot is not a change room or a rest room to be gender segregated. The medical college I studied had this stupid concept, and on the days I needed to borrow my girlfriend's scooter for errands where I couldn't take my car, I ask her to park in the common parking area.

Women face difficulties everywhere and don't feel safe is true, but gender segregation is a regressive concept that is frankly no different to what the Taliban does even if you are sugar coating discrimination by calling it progressive and women empowerment.

If women feel unsafe in parking lots, the solution is to implement proper lighting measures to ensure the place isn't dingy.

The problem is , a car or a bike is something that can be used by both genders. So if my mom or sister or girlfriend park the vehicle in a ladies only spot , and I have to pick it up, why should that be stigmatized or criminalized. And we have certain people with questionable intelligence here on this thread itself, who want to report such an act to the police. Talk about stigmatizing a benign concept like parking.

No matter how much we talk about women empowerment and pros and cons of this policy; this policy will be misused 100%.

We will start seeing women taking over the driving seat just before the parking/mall entry to get that preferred parking space. We all know how mileage conscious we are, those few drops of fuel make us rich or poor.

My wife takes the kids along many times. I would be very happy if she gets an easy parking. However, our decision to go to a specific mall is already taken by the traffic and parking situation. In Hyderabad, we have ample choices available.

Political intent of the policymaker - 100%
Misuse of policy - 80%
Benefit to the women drivers in town - 10%
Benefit to the corrupt parking attenders - 100%