[WorkingGuru]

Originally Posted by Jeroen

So you don’t think women get harassed in parking garages I take? Figment of their imagination?

Jeroen

Too much to ask if there simply needs to be clear and substantiative analysis that this move is really actually based on?

Instead of rationalising why 20% of public parking is supposed to be reserved with statistical and clear objective analysis, what is offered is a random generalisation which is supposed to be taken on face value to justify the move ?

Originally Posted by fhdowntheline

...What exactly is the woman driver going to do ? Report him to the police ? Depending on the city this is happening, it is likely that the woman will be harmed or at least threatened. It is not so simple...

A call on 112 would register the crime. When we have citations that based on the mere statement of a lady being allegedly shown a middle finger by a man while driving in traffic, a family man was sentenced to imprisonment, do we really actually believe a woman can be mistreated without consequence ?

Originally Posted by Jeroen

Yes, some men are awful!

Jeroen

Oh yes some might be. As some women might be too. Awfulness doesn't have a gender.

[Jeroen]

Originally Posted by WorkingGuru

Oh yes some might be. As some women might be too. Awfulness doesn't have a gender.

Lots and lots of research shows women feel unsafe and are actually unsafe in just about all public spaces.

The study’s methodology relies on using multistage cluster andquota sampling technique, where we interviewed nearly 1,387 respondents (both men and women)from the capital city of India, New Delhi. This study finds an overall congruence between perceivedlikelihood of female sexual harassment victimization and actual self-reported victimization in mostpublic transportation modes, but there is a significant gap between these two indicators foroccurrences that take place in certain transportation modes, such as taxis and auto-rickshaws.There are statistically significant gender differences in the seriousness ratings of various behaviorsthat constitute sexual harassment to women. Policy implications include adoption of a zero-tolerance policy toward any form of sexual harassment in public spaces

https://www.researchgate.net/publica..._Victimization

There are certainly some awful women out there. But when it comes to sexual harassment it is near always men harassing women and not the other way around.

Although this research is specifically looking at Delhi, you will find similar research on any major town just about any country in the world.

E.g. have a look at this UK research which was also discussed in parliament

https://publications.parliament.uk/p.../701/70105.htm

Arguing about whether 5, 10, 20, or 50% of the parking space should be allocated to women drivers sort of proofs the point. Many men, don’t see the problem at all.

My wife and daughter had several unpleasant experiences in Delhi/India. I must admit that on all our travels nobody has ever made any sexual tinted comments to me. You could argue that would be due to my physical appearance. But most women around the world, irrespective of physical appearance or how they dress or look, get all sort of comments thrown at them. Sometimes it gets worse than verbal assault.

Jeroen

[fhdowntheline]

If the police had the alacrity and ability to respond to a parking lot dispute, we would have been living in a golden civilization. By the time the police reach, the alleged harasser would have left. The complainant would be unnecessarily flustered, and it would be a waste of police time. I bet they will be even more reluctant to file an FIR. I am not talking out of thin air, I do connect with police at the highest levels in my region occasionally and am well aware of their side of the story.

[MyLife_MyCar]

What exactly is the "inconvenience"? Given our population, growing sales of cars and insufficient parking spaces, it's fair that parking is always on first come and first serve (except for people with physical disabilities).

What I have seen many a times is that the male will drive the car up to a spot near the mall or any such parking space and then hand it over to accompanying female just for getting a reserved parking space.
Unfortunately, this not an out of the box thinking, so, many people will do it and in no time the parking reserved for women is full.

Just another inconvenience for everyone.

[OffRoadFun]

So our roads are a nightmare to cross for kids, seniors and women too, the footpaths are non-existent for pedestrians and the policy makers are now proposing quota in parking which is impossible to enforce, prone to misuse.

The thinking of such policymakers is frightening to me as they wield power to shape traffic and parking on our roads!

[kaushikduttajsr]

More power to women!

Posts such as these really make me wish we had more women members. It is hard for men because this reservation comes at a time when parking space is already constrained. But trust me, some women would refuse to drive in bangalore just for rowdy men on the roads. I hope this rule is implemented throughout the country and at the right proportion (50%). Maybe... Maybe, we'll see more behaved drivers on the road.

I really hope to see 50% participation and reservation on every imaginable activity. If you detest such statements, pls Google why Scandinavian countries have progressed so much despite such harsh climactic conditions. If it still doesn't change your mind, you're part of the problem.

[v1p3r]

Be interesting to see the percentage of women drivers themselves. Some Indian cities and roads - Brigade Rd in BLR comes to mind - already have women-only parking. While the dim parking garage analogy might not apply to India wholly, any step towards women's safety is a good step.

Originally Posted by WorkingGuru

do we really actually believe a woman can be mistreated without consequence ?

I assume you are either being facetious or don't keep yourself informed of the world in general.

Originally Posted by Jeroen

My wife and daughter had several unpleasant experiences in Delhi/India. I must admit that on all our travels nobody has ever made any sexual tinted comments to me.

I'm sorry that they experienced this. Not because it happened in India, but because it happened.

[HowardRoark]

Originally Posted by WorkingGuru

Women appeasement is just a selling point to capitalists, they've nothing to do with actual womens overall welfare.

Already gender biased laws are wrecking Indian families. Fake cases on Indian men are sky high. Unfortunately no one cares about welfare of men. It is as if 50% of Indian population are treated worse than animals. Even dogs have laws that care about their welfare. Many men don't even care that their fellow men are suffering. So no ministry or department of men welfare and no removal of women appeasement policies and no removal of gender biased laws possible in the foreseeable future.

[fhdowntheline]

I really don't see the effectiveness of a reserved public parking lot in an open space without any oversight or law enforcement. At least in a bus or a train, it is a closed environment when it comes to reserved seats or compartments.

[WorkingGuru]

Originally Posted by v1p3r

...I assume you are either being facetious or don't keep yourself informed of the world in general...

Why don't you analyse the move objectively with data & see if there are things you knew/didn't know existed & what kind of steps would effectively to mitigate issues ?

Nobody needs to justify things for some random person on the internet, but they do need to do the necessary groundwork for civil society as a whole. Because if people find accurate information, only then they'll be able to act on it meaningfully.

Response to this topic reminds me of a news earlier this year "Fury as AA says it does NOT 'prioritise' a lone woman over a man at roadside: Customers 'CANCEL memberships' as breakdown firm confirms it does not give priority 'based on gender' ".

I will refrain from posting here anymore, as I've done before in other threads where I've seen there being a lack of willingness to actually find out the reality with objective analysis v/s blind support for doing random things to simply appease one gender (viz reckless IMO).

[yash1998]

All the women in my family know how to drive. I will simply switch the drivers seat with them when it comes to parking the car.

[Bluengel180]

Originally Posted by fhdowntheline

On a practical basis in the Indian context, a woman driver drives up to a women-only parking sign and sees a car parked already over there. She waits for that car driver to come, the driver eventually does so and he turns out to be a ruffian. What exactly is the woman driver going to do ? Report him to the police ? Depending on the city this is happening, it is likely that the woman will be harmed or at least threatened. It is not so simple. Public parking places may also need surveillance. Again this would be a reactive rather than preventive measure. And what about the convenience that was expected with this reserved space in the first place ? Gone for a toss, replaced by harassment and even fear.

You described perfectly what some women have to go through in the current age and yet somehow cannot see the usefulness of women only spots. It's to avoid incidents like these.

Originally Posted by WorkingGuru

Blaming men alone for all kinds of fictitious social discrimination has become the norm, inspite of all kind of objective evidences to disprove the same. The vitriol is so vile that anyone who even enquires about the basis of the accusations are labelled as misogynists & "cancelled", as-if they're some sort of holocaust-deniers.

Men have run the world for eons now so yes the blame certainly lies with them. I'm not what "evidence" you need to see this. Women are still not adequately represented in most fields .

But yes I get you. Women getting representation is "woke" and "political" and if organization's support them it is for an agenda. Men having absolute control is no issue however and is natural and unbiased.

Originally Posted by Jeroen

In many parking garages here, women reserved slots are near the exit so women don’t have to walk to far to get in and out of the often poorly lit, parking garage.

Jeroen

It's sad how most men will not get why women do this and will continue to brush the real issues under the carpet. No man will ever walk down a public garage fearing for thier safety and life and yet will come to arms if things are made less stressful for women.

[fhdowntheline]

Originally Posted by Bluengel180

You described perfectly what some women have to go through in the current age and yet somehow cannot see the usefulness of women only spots. It's to avoid incidents like these.

Do you realise how easy it is to misuse this privilege without adequate oversight ? Just see post#26 . This is obviously just an example, but shows the futility of the exercise. Besides, just because someone has a reserved parking spot doesn't guarantee safety on the street. What if someone is accosted thereafter?

[Ragavsr]

I am sorry, but a parking spot is not a change room or a rest room to be gender segregated. The medical college I studied had this stupid concept, and on the days I needed to borrow my girlfriend's scooter for errands where I couldn't take my car, I ask her to park in the common parking area.

Women face difficulties everywhere and don't feel safe is true, but gender segregation is a regressive concept that is frankly no different to what the Taliban does even if you are sugar coating discrimination by calling it progressive and women empowerment.

If women feel unsafe in parking lots, the solution is to implement proper lighting measures to ensure the place isn't dingy.

The problem is , a car or a bike is something that can be used by both genders. So if my mom or sister or girlfriend park the vehicle in a ladies only spot , and I have to pick it up, why should that be stigmatized or criminalized. And we have certain people with questionable intelligence here on this thread itself, who want to report such an act to the police. Talk about stigmatizing a benign concept like parking.

[MT_Hyderabad]

No matter how much we talk about women empowerment and pros and cons of this policy; this policy will be misused 100%.

We will start seeing women taking over the driving seat just before the parking/mall entry to get that preferred parking space. We all know how mileage conscious we are, those few drops of fuel make us rich or poor.

My wife takes the kids along many times. I would be very happy if she gets an easy parking. However, our decision to go to a specific mall is already taken by the traffic and parking situation. In Hyderabad, we have ample choices available.

Political intent of the policymaker - 100%
Misuse of policy - 80%
Benefit to the women drivers in town - 10%
Benefit to the corrupt parking attenders - 100%