[m8002?]

Originally Posted by aseem23

On the other side, I also think it has more to do with the country. OEMs know how cost competitive our market is, and an average buyer is in the market with 15-20lakhs INR or less. Toyota can not launch vehicles like RAV4, Crown, etc under 20lakhs, and how many buyers they can expect if they launch it higher than what most buyers can afford?

Just curious what if Maruti now asks for a Fortuner alternative? Will Toyota give in?

I dont buy the country arguement. The RAV4 competes with the Tuscon and Compass in US. Why cant it compete with them in India? In fact, it can simply swallow all the Compass sales and also gather numbers from XUV and Harrier.

Just look at the numbers Fortuner sells every month though its close to 50L now. Its just Toyota trying to maximize the profits with minimal investments and efforts.

What I dont understand is why no other manufacturer brings out a true Innova competitor? Chevy had the Tavera against the Qualis. The Tata Hexa attempted but failed. If Tata/Mahindra launch a real competitor to Innova, Toyota might think of launching products to counter them in the SUV space.

[Cresterk]

Originally Posted by abaliga

If this continues, Toyota will never launch any of its global offerings, Why work at all when you can outsource manufacturing to your partner.

If people are buying them, can we really blame them? In an ideal world this whole venture should have failed the moment they launched a Baleno with a toyota badge and charged a premium.

[abaliga]

Originally Posted by Cresterk

If people are buying them, can we really blame them? In an ideal world this whole venture should have failed the moment they launched a Baleno with a toyota badge and charged a premium.

Agree with this completely, Toyota is super lazy and has not made any significant effort to get their global models, following would have been nice additions and would have done well in India

- Yaris Cross
- Corolla Cross
- Highlander to replace the ageing Fortuner
- Sienna as a people mover for those who like to upgrade from an Innova

But then launching all of these in India needs some effort, Toyota is super lazy and happy to swap logos with Maruti as long as the plants are at capacity and cash registers ringing

I have driven the recently launched Hycross and besides a good hybrid powertrain, nice ride quality and space, it doesnt have much to justify the price tag, Interior panels are horrible, the flex on the door pads was more than the Hyryder parked next to it in the showroom, panel joints on the door pads were inconsistent and something we havent seen in a Toyota, but then, when brand names 'Innova' and 'Fortuner' are in question, most flaws are disregarded by our market.

[aniketi]

Originally Posted by Knightrider

Toyota is expected to launch the rebadged version of the Maruti Suzuki Fronx around this festive season.

It could be dubbed the Taisor but no official confirmation has been made available yet.

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Toyota - Better you close down your business here and handover it to Suzuki. They can handle it better. It's really pity to see Toyota launching Suzuki cars one by one with just rebadging and not giving any extra value to the customers. Toyota may be world leader outside, here in India they are just doing nonsense things which is really shameful for them. Now in 2023, India deserves better, superior products from Toyota and not just rebadged Maruti products.

[PaddleShifter]

Originally Posted by aniketi

Toyota - Better you close down…
…Toyota may be world leader outside, here in India they are just doing nonsense things which is really shameful for them. Now in 2023, India deserves better, superior products from Toyota and not just rebadged Maruti products.

Toyota has so far launched Fortuner, Innova, Camry, Corolla/ Altis, Etios, Liva, Yaris and others.

Toyota quality comes at a price that is not sustainable at sub 15 lacs segment for them. The Rs25-50 lacs segment is the only segment in which Toyota has been successful.

I see no harm in rebadging after seeing the Yaris fail which is selling in our neighbouring countries just fine.

[aniketi]

Originally Posted by PaddleShifter

Toyota has so far launched Fortuner, Innova, Camry, Corolla/ Altis, Etios, Liva, Yaris and others.

Toyota quality comes at a price that is not sustainable at sub 15 lacs segment for them. The Rs25-50 lacs segment is the only segment in which Toyota has been successful.

I see no harm in rebadging after seeing the Yaris fail which is selling in our neighbouring countries just fine.

If they are better in higher segment only, then they better do that only. Why not get more premium products here? They can bring good sedan to compete with City, Verna, etc. What about some nice SUV which can compete with likes of Creta, Seltos, Nexon, etc.? It's a high volume segment currently and people can buy in numbers of they get good product. Why just do rebadging of Maruti cars and dilute own brand value? I really don't understand their strategy here. I don't see any point in selling cars in this way. This is only beneficial for dealers to pull crowd to their showrooms and getting more billing, that's it.

[turbo]

Originally Posted by aniketi

What about some nice SUV which can compete with likes of Creta, Seltos, Nexon, etc.?

Toyota Hyryder?

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/offic...er-review.html (Toyota Urban Cruiser Hyryder Review)

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-...er-hybrid.html (Ownership Review: My Toyota HyRyder (Hybrid))

[aniketi]

Really? Hyryder is again shared between Maruti & Toyota, right? Just see numbers, Grand Vitara from Maruti is selling 3 times more than Toyota Hyryder. 1.5 Liter engine it has is from Maruti only. Hybrid tech is from Toyota but it is not selling in that many numbers due to high price. They should bring cars which are only sold by Toyota & not by Maruti. Maruti will always sell more cars than Toyota in such case.

[aseem23]

Originally Posted by m8002?

The RAV4 competes with the Tuscon and Compass in US. Why cant it compete with them in India? In fact, it can simply swallow all the Compass sales and also gather numbers from XUV and Harrier.
Just look at the numbers Fortuner sells every month though its close to 50L now. Its just Toyota trying to maximize the profits with minimal investments and efforts.
What I dont understand is why no other manufacturer brings out a true Innova competitor? Chevy had the Tavera against the Qualis. The Tata Hexa attempted but failed. If Tata/Mahindra launch a real competitor to Innova, Toyota might think of launching products to counter them in the SUV space.

Well, RAV4 is an excellent product, but it is a 5 seater, and if you look at the 5 seater cars between 30-50L range then Compass, Tucson, Tiguan, Compass, and C5 Aircross don't command much volume. Also, I think in global markets Hybrid variants of RAV4, Compass, and Tucson are preferred which are not available in India. I would love it if companies bring their Hybrid tech to India but Jeep, and Hyundai have not launched Hybrid variants of Compass, and Tucson in India.

If Toyota launches 5 seater RAV4 with a Diesel or Petrol option in India then I am not sure how many buyers they will find. The base model of RAV4 is around 24L in the US. In our market with taxes in place, it might start with 30l+, and with a Hybrid option and the same quality as global markets, the price will be around 40l. Maybe Toyota would not want to cannibalize sales of Innova siblings, and they will not prefer to locally produce RAV4. If they do, then Toyota certainly has a buyer in me for RAV4 Hybrid.

Regarding Fortuner, I don't understand how and why Fortuner sells 3k+ units every month, and I am not sure how many buyers prefer Legender or 4*4 variants of Fortuner. Personally, I don't find Fortuner worth its obnoxious pricing.

True, OEM should launch Innova or Fortuner competitors. I would love to see options like Kia Telluride, or Hyundai Palisade with Hybrid tech in India as a direct competition to Fortuner.

[turbo]

Originally Posted by aniketi

Just see numbers, Grand Vitara from Maruti is selling 3 times more than Toyota Hyryder.

And that's because Maruti has 3 times as many showrooms as Toyota does. Maybe even more.

You really need to let go your metropolitan tinted glasses to see that.

A person living in, let's say Kargil, J&K, Is he going to buy a a Grand Vitara AWD, and have a service centre near him, or is he going to drive down a 150 km to Srinagar to buy the Toyota?

Maruti's presence in the country is unmatched, and so are their sales numbers.

[tez_padhye]

Where Toyota went wrong with Etios was that they kept launching "facelifts" with a new chrome bar there, new grill here, different bumper and instrument cluster. The dull interiors were left the same! They weren't even trying to make it feel just a little upmarket. Dzire shares the same taxi image as Etios but still sells very well.
And its okay if you feel otherwise but bringing in Virat as their brand ambassador for 2013 Etios Liva facelift was their biggest mistake. 😂

[volkman10]

The rebadged crossover, Toyota Taisor is set to go on sale in the first quarter of 2024.

Toyota’s version of the Maruti Fronx to be launched in the first quarter of 2024.
Carmaker trademarked the Taisor name in India, which could be reserved for this car.
Design changes should be limited to grille, lights, alloys and bumpers.
Inside, it could get a different colour scheme to set it apart from the Maruti model.
Should use the Fronx’s 1.2-litre petrol and 1-litre turbo-petrol engine options.

Link

[ashutoshb]

A test mule was spotted in November 2023. The door mirrors are exactly the same as Fronx.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSlpYivfh78

[volkman10]

Toyota Taisor to launch on April 3.


Source:Gaadiwaadi

[volkman10]

Teaser of Toyota's 'Taisor' :