[Raghu M]

As an M&M owner myself I am worried about an airbag deploying. My 3OO has 7 airbags and is touted to be the safest car. I as a customer look at a selling point of a car and not the mechanics/science behind it. If an airbag has not deployed and a death has occurred, it is indeed serious.

[Sebring]

In newer cars car manufacturers are giving option to switch off airbags. This is near the door edge usually. So once you receive the car, during pdi, ensure it is turned on from the factory itself.

[Aviator_guy]

Originally Posted by Sebring

In newer cars car manufacturers are giving option to switch off airbags. This is near the door edge usually. So once you receive the car, during pdi, ensure it is turned on from the factory itself.

Is this true? Sounds unbelievable that there is option to turn off airbags whereas no provision (official) to turn off the speed warning chimes!

Btw, wondering why would one want to switch off airbags deployment even if the option exists ?

[mk600]

Really unfortunate.
Mahindra has now responded, that the car DID have Airbags. But this was a Roll-over case in which Frontal Airbags will not get deployed.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/mahi...-death-4427772

Just a thought: A SUV with higher centre of gravity has a higher chance of roll overs/topple. Could curtain airbags have helped here, since passenger was wearing seatbelts too?

[Sebring]

Inside city, even if there is a small bump, it could go off. The replacement cost of 6 airbags is considerable - so there is an option to turn it off

Originally Posted by Aviator_guy

Is this true? Sounds unbelievable that there is option to turn off airbags

[GeeTee TSI]

Originally Posted by Aviator_guy

Is this true? Sounds unbelievable that there is option to turn off airbags whereas no provision (official) to turn off the speed warning chimes!

Btw, wondering why would one want to switch off airbags deployment even if the option exists ?

IIRC, air bag deactivation is only done in the event a child seat is placed on that (front) seat

On the incident specifically, it is discomfiting to hear that a roll over accident is impactful enough to cause a fatality but the impact is not adequate to trigger an airbag. Further, I am not entirely sure that front airbags alone might help in the event of a roll over

[harikrishnansp]

So many complaints about non deploying airbags in a Mahindra. They should get to the core of it. Having a strong body shell is useless if the safety features like airbag and pretensioners doesn't work. One can smash themselves against the steering and die.

[Vtach]

Not sure if expecting airbags to be the ultimate death proof guarantee is really a wise way of driving about. They are SRS, the first S standing for secondary. Primary remains the driver & his/her actions in that situation.
A father's anguish at a son's demise is understood and empathized with but to suggest that since there was no blood or external injuries apparent to him, therefore, had the airbags deployed they would've certainly saved the departed's life is bereft of any logic, medical or otherwise.
Or that had the OEM not advertized the safety features, they wouldn't had bought the vehicle. This FIR is high on rhetoric but short on any concrete facts. What was the speed at which the accident happened? Was there alcohol/ other drugs involved? Did the driver doze off/ get distracted?
We're not likely to know these facts anytime soon. Hence to pass definitive judgements based on what might have happened had something happened or not happened, is rather pointless.
If the vehicle toppled over multiple times after the impact as per the FIR, it must've been travelling at a considerable speed. Shouldn't one drive slow if there's dense fog, in one's own life's interest?

Unfortunately, we as a society are more prone to curse & blame others for our unhappiness while minimalizing one's own faults.

Either way, if the pic attached with this FIR is indeed of the ill fated vehicle, the XL sized non OEM alloys alone are enough for any OEM to deny any responsibility arising out of any mishap.

[Aviator_guy]

Originally Posted by Sebring

Inside city, even if there is a small bump, it could go off. The replacement cost of 6 airbags is considerable - so there is an option to turn it off

Somehow doesn't make sense to me that customer can switch off this life safety critical item. It sounds like logic non helmet wearing 2w drivers use to not wear helmet (something like they are driving slowly on city streets so no need of helmet). We all know how that turns out when accidents do happen!

Also, aren't there inbuilt logic for bag deployment? That's the point of this thread that bags may not have deployed due to some trigger conditions not met.

Originally Posted by GeeTee TSI

IIRC, air bag deactivation is only done in the event a child seat is placed on that (front) seat

Child seat is not supposed to be in front seat due to airbags and the manufacturer warning also says that. So why would there be a feature to encourage that and play with everyone's safety

[chandrda]

Mahindra has come out with clarification and have stated that its a case of roll over and not frontal impact. Hence the airbags dint get deployed. The Scorpio did have the airbags as per Mahindra's statement.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/mahi...dtv_topstories

Regards

[anjan_c2007]

While condoling death of Sh Mishra's son due to the alleged faulty, misleading and exaggerated safety assurances by Mahindra, the allegations that there were no airbags needs be ascertained technically, by domain experts for everyone's knowledge and to also stand judicial scrutiny.

While the misbehavior by the local Mahindra's men is condemnable, the filing of a FIR by Mr Mishra is praiseworthy. But only true facts that are not blown up or misleading need to be stated in the FIR. It is certain that the company will instantly move an application for anticipatory bail where any distortions or untrue facts if any, could become questionable in the court of law.

Clarification from Mahindra:-



There's a rebuttal by Mahindra which states that the incident is from January 2022 and the Scorpio S9 of 2020 did have airbags. The SUV had toppled and thats what why the airbags did not deploy. The matter is subjudice now.

"Commenting on allegations that the vehicle did not have airbags, the company said, "We would hence like to categorically reconfirm that the Scorpio S9 variant manufactured in 2020 did have airbags.

It noted that M&M has investigated the case and found no malfunction of the airbags. "It was a rollover case which would not deploy the frontal airbags," the company stated.

According to M&M, the company carried out a detailed technical investigation in October 2022.

Link:

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/te...-11434931.html

[thanixravindran]

Originally Posted by GTO

Check out the date on the FIR, it was registered only in September 2023. Sometimes, FIRs take very long. I have usually seen the police being most reluctant to lodge an FIR, unless absolutely necessary.

I am sure there was a separate accident FIR. But this would be based on the father's criminal complaint (just a guess).

The first post which has the report extract itself gives the answer. The complainant went to a local court to get the FIR registered. It is not unusual that it takes 18 months to get FIR filed.

If police refuse to file FIR, one can approach magistrate court and pray for direction for filing of FIR. If the court is satisfied with the prayer, they can order police to file FIR. Please note after the investigation, IO can file closure report or chargesheet with all offenses or drop few offenses based on investigation. This is going to be an interesting case as a prominent business house is involved. Most likely they will move the higher courts to quash the FIR.

If anybody thinks that filing an FIR is easy in India, please give a try to even get a complaint acknowledgement in a nearby police station. It will show the sad reality.

[avdhesh15]

Originally Posted by volkman10

Mahindra's response:

Attachment 2508706

Even when my Brezza rolled over 2-3 times in an accident without any frontal impact, the airbags didn't deploy. I was told a similar reason.

[Sebring]

The car hit the divider first and then toppled. Mahindra is only looking at the toppling/rolling over aspect. When it hit the divider the airbag should have deployed.

[BleueNinja]

Originally Posted by Sebring

Inside city, even if there is a small bump, it could go off. The replacement cost of 6 airbags is considerable - so there is an option to turn it off

Mahindra and other OEM's have claimed multiple times that due to roll over the airbag didn't deploy so I find it hard to believe that airbags would be deployed with a small bump no less. In this very incident itself Mahindra has said that since car rolled over the airbags didn't deploy.

Originally Posted by GeeTee TSI

IIRC, air bag deactivation is only done in the event a child seat is placed on that (front) seat

Precisely, newer cars come equipped with an option to disable passenger airbag only if a rear facing child seat has been set up in passenger seat.

Originally Posted by GeeTee TSI

On the incident specifically, it is discomfiting to hear that a roll over accident is impactful enough to cause a fatality but the impact is not adequate to trigger an airbag. Further, I am not entirely sure that front airbags alone might help in the event of a roll over

This is what has been bothering me as well.