[mgastor2022grey]

Originally Posted by Cresterk

Wasn’t the diesel manual faster, efficiency and way more fun to drive?

No man, diesel had that clutter, which was kind of unbearable in speeds above 80 kmph. It was noisy and the NVH was somehow poor in the diesel. The Petrol was a free-revving unit and was way more fun-to-drive due to its agility and lighter weight when compared to diesel (100 kgs lesser). I have one in my close relative's side and one in the friend circle's side, and when test driven both back-to-back, the diesel felt sluggish.

But yeah, fuel efficiency was horrible, diesel gave around 15 kmpl, while petrol gave a horrendous 6 kmpl

[smasher]

I searched and found a good 2.8z Crysta. One of the best purchases I ever made.

Once you use the "power mode", I guess the 0-100 figure is about a 10-sec range. Amazingly quick for a 7-seater diesel MPV.

And the mileage, cruising on expressways, you get around 17+ kmpl. Mixed-use, the long-term average is 13.7 kmpl. best of both worlds.

[GTO]

During the heydays of Audi when the company was way more aggressive than today, the A4 had a wild 3.2 TFSI petrol motor. Fast & redline-happy. The A4 even had a stonking 3.0 TDI variant.

Link to thread (Audi A4 3.2 Tfsi versus Audi A4 3.0 TDi)

Today, the A4 shares its engine with lesser siblings from VW & Skoda. Just a 2.0L TSI. Heck, even the Audi A6 doesn't get Quattro anymore.

[LordSharan]

Originally Posted by LordSharan

Honda City was launched with 1.4L and 1.6L engines (first generation in India), and post it's facelift, it has always had 1.5L engine. As I've read and learnt, 1.6L engine was a true enthusiast delight and mod friendly too. I remember reading an autocar article in early 2010's where they slapped a turbo charger on this and brought down 0-100KMPH to 7.xx seconds. That puts a lot of higher cost cars to shame, even today.

Originally Posted by RD410

Pardon me, but the gen 1 City came in 3 variants viz. 1.3 Exi, 1.5 Exi and 1.5 Vtec, right? I have worked on an accident repair 1.5 Exi. Have to say, even in 2023, many car makers are unable to achieve the level of engine smoothness that Honda offered 20+ years ago

Thanks for the correction - my mistake.
@mods - if you can, please delete my post - it does not belong to this thread.

[Wageabond]

The Ford Figo 1.5L comes to mind which had ~125 BHP. I think they just plonked the Ecosport engine into the Figo. Power to weight ratio would have been bonkers. Sadly, they pulled the plug on it after a limited run. Coupled with Figo's go-kart like handling, it would have been a monster to drive. I never got a chance to drive one, but vividly remember it just because of the insane numbers. It does not get the mention that the OG Polo GT or Punto Abarth get though, although the stats do seem to put it in the same strata.

[abaliga]

Originally Posted by fhdowntheline

I would add the Polo/ Vento and the 1.2 TSI engine. The 1.2 TSI DQ200 combo was quite explosive in S mode. And it just unleashed the fat torque from 2000 rpm. In contrast, the 1.5 tsi/ 1.5 tgdi ( Verna) are fast but not scarily so.

I still like the 1.2 TSI better than the 1.0TSI, refinement of a 4 cylinder engine cannot be matched by 3 cylinders no matter how well balanced and modern it is! I wish 1.2 TSI was redesigned to meet BS6! Infact, I like the 1.2 TSI more than the 1.5 TSI too, 1.5 TSI has a boomy nature that I cannot tolerate, this combined with the aggressive down shifting of DQ200 irritated me everytime the engine revved past 3.5k rpm, I had to use the manual mode through out my highway drive to avoid the boomy noise by staying under 3k rpm.

On a seperate note, I hate this trend of downsizing engines, real world fuel efficiency of a 4 cylinder is as good if not better than a 3 cylinder motor (proved by 1.5TSI vis a vis 1.0TSI), I am not sure of the emissions though, but I dont think it is significantly higher, may be a 3 cylinder motor performs better under standard testing conditions and looks good on paper which is probably why every manufacturer is going this route.

1.2 TSI is a true gem that is missed badly!

[amitayu]

Originally Posted by Wageabond

The Ford Figo 1.5L comes to mind which had ~125 BHP. I think they just plonked the Ecosport engine into the Figo. Power to weight ratio would have been bonkers. Sadly, they pulled the plug on it after a limited run. Coupled with Figo's go-kart like handling, it would have been a monster to drive. I never got a chance to drive one, but vividly remember it just because of the insane numbers. It does not get the mention that the OG Polo GT or Punto Abarth get though, although the stats do seem to put it in the same strata.

I actually went to the Ford showroomto buy it, only to know i was discontinued!
That is when I discovered the Freestyle and eventually bought it.

While the freestyle has the Ecosport diesel engine, it did not get the petrol engine just to meet the excise duty limitations.
While the 1.2 dragon is a beauty of NA petrol engine in this age of turbos, I really wish we had the option of getting the 1.5 in this bodyframe.

[SupMeteorStorme]

Tata's Varicor engine was also lost due to stringent emission norms.

For those who mastered that engine, they were able to remain in the "power band" and never felt that it wasn't tractable. Be it in city driving or out on the highways, that engine shined everywhere. Effortless is the word that comes to mind when thinking about that engine.

If their SUVs had lost some weight, and if their fit and finish was better/contemporary, Tata would still be the kings of SUVs.

[sasta_rider]

The Toyota Etios Liva hatchback (including the Etios sedan) from the BS4 era and its 1.3L diesel engine took the hit: stringent BS6 norms and the government's decision to kill the diesel engines!

I have driven uncle's 2012 diesel Etios Liva (which he still owns) on a lot of occasions: airport runs, road trip with college friends and family functions. From local city roads to ghat sections to open stretch highways: Liva did what it was meant to. I call it the pocket-rocket offered by Toyota back in time.

From the diesel engine being the cherry on the cake, these aspects were much appreciated by private owners and even the fleet/cab owners:

• Low maintenance cost.
• A good fuel economy.
• Aah, how can I miss the power and the sweet punch it offered on being floored on open highways or even during medium city traffic!
• The location where the instrument cluster is placed. Unique when compared to other cars of that time.
• Quick overtakes on highways/city were just fruitful.

Till date, whenever I get a chance to book an Uber/Ola while outstation, I always wish a Toyota Etios (sedan) comes to pick me up. The level of comfort and space it offers for short/long highway commute is just phenomenal.

Sad to see Toyota discontinued the model: all thanks to the BS6 norms and the government's hate towards diesel engines!

[V0id2003]

Hyundai's 1.6L BS4 Diesel was a gem. Getting 22+ kmpl on highways with a sub 10 second 0-100, in an automatic! It's absolutely unheard of today.

It's such a pleasure to drive this beast and there is no replacement for the 2017 Verna.

[motorworks]

Originally Posted by mgastor2022grey

No man, diesel had that clutter, which was kind of unbearable in speeds above 80 kmph. It was noisy and the NVH was somehow poor in the diesel. The Petrol was a free-revving unit and was way more fun-to-drive due to its agility and lighter weight when compared to diesel (100 kgs lesser). I have one in my close relative's side and one in the friend circle's side, and when test driven both back-to-back, the diesel felt sluggish.

But yeah, fuel efficiency was horrible, diesel gave around 15 kmpl, while petrol gave a horrendous 6 kmpl

Respectfully disagree! I’m going to talk only about Jeep Compass Automatic versions since I test drove both the Petrol and Diesel Automatics before finalising on the Diesel AT.

The Petrol AT, like any petrol engine is smooth, but its not revv happy or anything like that. The DCT is quick, but seems a bit confused. The gear changes are very unpredictable. But the car is quick, no doubt. But is it fun to drive or is the petrol engine the better one? I dont think so.
The Diesel AT feels lazy, but its got a predictable nature and its an excellent highway car where it really comes in to its own. And the diesel engine by typical diesel standards is not bad at all. I have had a Rapid TDI and Creta 1.6 diesel before this, and I know that the VW Skoda diesels had the most clatter and noise while Hyundai’s diesel was super silent, almost like Petrols. The Compass diesel is not as bad as VW or Skoda diesels and its also well insulated.

Anyway, the topic here is if the better engine has been discontinued, and in the case of the Compass its not a clear comparison. Its a typical petrol vs diesel scenario. The petrol wasnt that good and the diesel aint bad either.

[100Kmphormore]

Another engine that comes to mind is the Renault 1.5 DCi that produced 110hp and 250 Nm and the 1.5 TDI, truly fabulous engines, especially the Renault as it was more tractable for city.

[lemedico]

Off topic, but decades down the line, do the bhpians reckon if TeamBHP will have a thread titled "cars that lost their better battery packs"?

[pradheepsr]

Having owned a 2012 Polo 1.6 MPI, can certainly feel for the car till this date.

High speed manners, ride and handling coupled with 5 speed manual slick shifting gearbox was a delight.

Ford Ecosport with the 1 litre Ecoboost engine (bagged the engine of the year then), was a hoot to drive with best in class ride and handling to go with awesome cornering abilities. The 1.5 L TDCi engine too was a gem.

Tragic end to an awesome compact SUV which would have been otherwise the big daddy of all compact SUVs.

[CentreOfGravity]

Hyundai Creta:



The RDE norms killed the 1.4 litre 138hp turbo petrol engine in the Creta. It is currently sold with the 1.5 litre NA petrol and a 1.5 litre diesel engine. However, the 1.5 litre 158hp turbo petrol engine from the Seltos is expected to make its way into the Creta with the facelift.

BMW X1:



The BMW X1 comes with a 1.5 litre 3 pot turbo petrol engine which produces a mere 132hp! This is a massive downgrade from the earlier generation's 2.0 litre 190ps turbo petrol. This has been done to reduce BMW's overall emissions. In fact, the X1 18i is slower than the Hyundai Verna to a ton.