[PetrolHead2272]

When we think about Toyota, reliability is the first word that comes to mind. We see Innovas and Fortuners clocking well beyond half a million kms without breaking a sweat. However, we all know Toyota is full of bold moves, i.e. - discontinuing the Qualis and then the first generation Innova.

Having owned a Gen 1 type 2 Innova from 2010-21, here's my take. Big on utility and indestructibility but obviously low on safety and kit. Attaching a pic of my beloved a week before we sold it -

She doesn't look 11 does she? (2.3Lac Kms on her odometer)

Anyway, this thread isn't a shoutout to my first love. It's about another bold decision by Toyota.

Would Toyota be discontinuing the Innova Crysta in 2025?
Here's an article by Autocar India that says Crysta is only in production because the Hycross is being impacted by the semiconductor shortage.
https://www.autocarindia.com/car-new...t-least-427956

However, TKM is still selling about 2-4k units of the Crysta per month. Some months, the Crysta actually outsells the Hycross but that could likely be due to the backlog of Hycross orders.

I'd like the Team's view on whether the Crysta will be discontinued.
Cheers

[wheelspinner]

No, Crysta and Hycross are technically very different beasts. Hycross is not a true successor of Crysta. Nothing can beat the ladder on frame body on bad roads. It is built for comparatively rugged use, and more durability. The Hycross on the other hand is monocoque chassis.

I highlight this point as you can simply change the chassis and rebuild the outside shell for Innova. Accidental repairs work out cheaper due to that, and unlike monocoque you don't have a compromised structure. Basically, I saw a cabbie buy a used chassis separately for 1.5 lakhs, and he got the dicky portion ripped apart and welded back in from a scrapped car. I travelled in that car for 1000 kms, and couldn't tell if the car had a major accident. I wonder if you can do the same with the mighty Hycross!

[Vishal.R]

Looking at the discounts being offered, it's looks like a strong possibility. In cab market, Ertiga CNG offers almost 70-80% of space with more affordability for owners and consumers. For premium cab segment, HighCross is already there.

[DicKy]

With CAFE and RDE, really can't tell the future of affordable diesels. Tightening emission norms could strike a death blow to the Innova Crysta.

Semiconductor shortage? Isn't it over? This is just sheer customer demand. Looking at the number of Innova Crysta with temporary registration on the road, one can only guess what the demand would be if they offered the automatic transmission too. Right now, many prospective Crysta buyers are forced to buy Hycross if automatic transmission is a non-negotiable criteria.

Toyota knows it all very well, the reason why they offer the Crysta only with a manual. Who knows. Like the Hilux Champ and the upcoming junior Fortuner (project 500D), they may end up offering a more utilitarian MPV to replace the Crysta in the future.

[GTO]

It's a big cash cow and targets an entirely different customer (commercial, workhorse, businesses, fleets) than the Innova Hycross. A completely different animal too = oldschool body on frame diesel compared to the monocoque Innova Hycross petrol.

Toyota will milk it until they can. The presence of the Innova Crysta also allows Toyota to separate the two's positioning, and push the Innova Hycross as "premium". Remove the Innova Crysta and there's a major void left behind in the segment, and a large chunk of Toyota loyalists alienated. Killing the Innova Crysta might push more customers to competitor brands rather than the Innova Hycross. The Ertiga / XL6 are already so spacious, comfortable & practical! The Kia Carens too.

Other than tough diesel emission regulations & CAFE norms, I cannot think of any reason that Toyota would pull the plug on the Innova Crysta.

[RS01]

They've been there, done that in the past. They can attempt another Qualis to Innova style transition if they wish to put their might behind one product.

However, the market has more competition now. Also Toyota seems to be focussed on increasing their product portfolio directly and through partnerships, which makes it unlikely that they'll kill a star product.

[manofinfinity]

Hycross is not a replacement for the mighty Crysta, it’s a completely different car.
Also in terms of value, and starting price Crysta had an edge diesel gx value offered the most value and being diesel was economical too.
If Crysta GX Automatic would be still available then Hycross Gx sales would have come down by 50%.
Only long-term market and customer response will tell if Hycross can replace the mighty Crysta but currently at the moment, Crysta GX Automatic is Superior compared to Hycross Gx.
Also, I think for Toyota Crysta seems to be more expensive to manufacture than the Hycross.

[saikishor]

Instead of pulling the plug, I wish Toyota gave it a thorough refresh but knowing Toyota I dont think this js even remotely possible. Toyota should have continued offering the diesel automatic, I dont think it would have cannibalized Hycross.

Coming to the point, I dont think Toyota will pull the plug on the Crysta anytime soon, despite of how ancient it is.

[CEF_Beasts]

The only way the Crysta will be discontinued is if Toyota destroys it with each and every facelift, until people stop buying it because of the looks.



Check out Toyota India’s latest kit on the Crysta, called the “Rugged Kit”. Those plastic wheelarch claddings on the fenders looks so out of place on an MPV

[wheelspinner]

Originally Posted by CEF_Beasts

Check out Toyota India’s latest kit on the Crysta, called the “Rugged Kit”. Those plastic wheelarch claddings on the fenders looks so out of place on an MPV

Beg to differ sir, this would provide some relief from minor scrapes. It is so common for e-rickshaws and careless bikers to scrape your fenders or quarter panel part by moving too close. For a bigger MPV, it is practical and offers some protection against such damage.

[RaghuVis]

Wasn't Qualis discontinued because they were replacing that with Innova internationally? Qualis journey in India looks short because it came late to India. Even though it was a blockbuster at that time, it did not make sense for them to keep manufacturing it only for India.

Back then, India was not even a serious market for them despite the success of Qualis. Funnily, Toyota still treats the Indian market as a money-making machine and does not give it the respect that it deserves. consistency is their trademark you see

[pedrolourenco]

When Toyota axed the Qualis, it also left a huge void. All other manufacturers were caught napping and no one could launch a product to fill that void (Chevrolet tried with the Tavera). Customers were forced to switch to the Innova. I don't think other manufacturers will make this mistake again should Toyota axe the Innova Crysta. Toyota knows this and the won't axe the Crysta.

[HycroBiteVFire]

Being a huge fan of the Hycross, I genuinely want Toyota to discontinue the Crysta. Yes, I know I'll receive some hate for this but I just want to see Hycross "succeed" a little more. I feel like when Crysta's gone, it may just lead to people switching to the Hycross.

Unpopular opinion, but hoping it does happen.

[Innysta]

I feel Crysta will have its run for longer time. The reason why automatic transmission is not offered could raise doubts but it may be based on lesser units sold, mostly preferred by individuals versus higher volumes driven by cabbies and enterprises and drift those retail customers to Hycross. If Toyota keeps adding features (e.g. sunroof) can be an indication for its well chartered future.

[Chetan_Rao]

Even with Crysta still available, Carens has crept into the 7 seater cab segment recently. Cabbies don't care for powertrain numbers as long as it's tractable and gives decent FE (Carens ticks both boxes), and it's got a fantastic 3rd row too.

Plus the Hycross isn't a 'what else is there for my money?' price segment standalone like Innova used to be. Customer sensibilities have changed, 20-30L segment today has plenty of choices, and a lot of customers are willing to look at a premium 5 seater CSUV over an MUV than ever before. Not to forget, Toyota's next offering costs nearly twice as much, so they can't afford a void in their two-trick lineup like a few years ago.