Originally Posted by Gangsta (Post 1065114)

that's not the torsion beam. That's a very thin plate of iron and its not for the protection. Its for the Radiator Support. Its useless at the time of impacts.

Originally Posted by TOR (Post 1064328)

The safety of any car would be dependent on the structural elements and the 'impact and crash absorbing zones' designed into the chassis.So would the same be different for the Indian Swift and the European swift.

Or is there any evidence that the Indian Swift Chassis/ monocoque is inferior built to that of the European one?

Originally Posted by anachronix (Post 1065163)

I was involved in an accident at a speed of only 40-50KM/H in my Zen (2003 Model) and I ended up with wheel axels broken and the front wheels hanging on tow which was a horrendous site for me. I love the Zen but the safety in MSIL Cars made me move away from them forever! Its my personal experience!

Originally Posted by anachronix (Post 1065163)

Do you really beleive Maruti cares so much about safety?

Originally Posted by mclaren1885 (Post 1065213)

I think they do. Atleast since the launch of the SX4. What you need to keep in mind is my friend most cars SMIL sells are targeted at the common man, who are least bit bothered about ABS, airbags, TCS etc. I am sure SMIL would have wanted to provide these on earlier models too, but would the additional cost in adding safety features be born by the end customer and appreciated? Will you pay 1L extra to have the features on a zen? You might, but will you dad, uncle, your neighbour who have lived with Amby's pay? Its business for them after all, if they find it profitable, will sell in good numbers they will. They aren't running a charity show here for us.

However with the influx of IT, with so many people travelling abroad, getting used to driving with safety features, the trend seems to be changing here too. Now people ask for safety features, mostly those who have been abroad and come back and not the average indian joe. Unless these numbers grow substantially we have to face the brunt.

I think we should actually be appreciating Hyundai and SMIL for initiating this change by giving importance to safety features with the advent of Elantra, SX4, Swift (some trims) etc. Its sacrilege on the part of companies like Honda to charge exorbitant prices for the NHC/Civic without any safety features. Now with SMIL & Hyundai going on overdrive mode, looks like the others are feeling the heat too (and hence we see them on Honda cars too).

Please do keep in mind that SMIL brought the safety features on the SX4 & Swift all by its own accord, unlike Honda who were forced into providing them with the fear of the opposition running away with their sales.

Originally Posted by Surprise

Hope you came out unhurt.

Do you think any other car on the same segment (diff manfu) could have saved your car as well without any damages i.e to the extent your zen suffered

Originally Posted by watashi75 (Post 1065243)

Title of this thread is misleading.

Originally Posted by anachronix (Post 1065248)

But does safety stop with providing ABS/Airbags/EBD/EPS/TC! When the structural integrity of a vehicle is compromised to fit the cost?

Originally Posted by mclaren1885 (Post 1065280)

I guess it is. Another point I forgot to add is the bulky A-pillar. I am yet to drive this car on track and see how bad/good the visibility is when you are going flat out into a corner is, but from my on-road experiences I can say that one can even miss a biker hidden behind the A-pillar if you are pushing into a corner specially in the ghats. The indica too had this issue.


Yes, you are right. But once again, think about it from the business perspective. If they are providing safety features and trying to keep the end costs down, its obvious they are going to skimp on something (if not costs will increase, sales will drop). Besides, if you want to see the change, I think its high time we ought to be a part of it. How many of us here, e-mail the guys at SMIL with such complaints/feedback/suggestions? I do, and I know plenty of honcho's at SMIL who are reading every thread with the mention of the word SMIL or Maruti or any of its cars here.

Just another way to think about it, from the perspective of a businessman. We all know, in cities slow speed accidents happen all the time (mostly non-fatal). Give cars thin metal, damage is more, more is the profit for the company because of accidental repairs? I am not saying that is the reason why swift is tinny, but like I said they aren't doing this for charity. Its business for them. But one thing we all need to know is whether a car is tinny or built like a tank, on highways at high speeds it hardly makes a difference when you crash. Depending on speeds (from both vehicles/objects involved in a crash), angle at which impact happens, surface of the road, nature of impact even a tank like car with all safety features can kill a person. Best example in case, Princess Diana. So there is no point in contemplating what a car would have done if it had two more layers of sheet metal on it. Truth is, it will never end up the way we imagine it to once you end up crashing the car.

Originally Posted by anachronix (Post 1065321)

I was not particularly talking about sheet metals. I am talking about critical components which would atleast add hopes to the safety of occupants in a Car! In my case it was the wheel axle which broke for a minor collision! I dont think thats a tinny part of the car to break off!

Originally Posted by Gangsta (Post 1064913)

We don't have such beams in Swift, but present in all Hyundai Cars. Instead of soft foam, Hyundai uses hard foam which also acts as the shock absorber for low intensity impacts.

Originally Posted by Gangsta (Post 1065114)

that's not the torsion beam. That's a very thin plate of iron and its not for the protection. Its for the Radiator Support. Its useless at the time of impacts.