[Tom]

Hi,

Would like to know:
1. allowed mods in group N
2. min mods required
3. cost involved

if anybody has past experience in setting up a rally car pls share your experiences with us

cheers!
Tom

[Rtech]

Hey Tom,

Since you are from Bangalore, its easy to find people who prepare rally cars.

Anyways, for all the technical regulations for Group N, log onto MAI website and click on Rally Regulations.

[Tom]

i know that.....but this is a discussion board right?
wuld be nice for everyone to get info on this.

also i noticed that in this section everybody is discussing only about the schumi's and makkinenns n stuff.

hey what about our local racing heroes? what about competition events happening in our very own neighbourhood?

In my opinion Jagat Nanjappa is king of rallying in India

Jus my $.02

chill,
Tom

[Rtech]

You talking bikes now? Then Jagat is the best for sure. Although Shyam Kothari is up there with him too, and better, depending on who you talk to.

Jagat never really made it with 4 wheels though, but he's still a great rallyist!

Although there has really been no competition in the INRC for the past few years, 2004 promises to be a good year, with the best drivers from the North also joining in. It's gonna be great seeing Sunny Sidhu competing head on against the MRF boys.

Team MRF is craving for some competition, and this year, they should get some!

As far as posting tech regs here, they are really too long and detailed. However, the basic Grp N regs are:
- Cannot touch the engine
- Suspension free, provided mounting points remain same
- Wheels/tyres free, provided rim diameter is as per manufacturers specs
- Headers cannot be touched till the 2nd muffler

The rest of the regs are mainly to do with safety.

[Tom]

what about carbs.....air filter...etc
so 3rd and 4th section of exhaust is free right?

what im really intd is what it takes to build a rally car from scratch.

i havent seen shyam kothari riding so i cant comment.
but i have seen jagat riding on competitive stage and let me tell you he is mind blowing. Also full credit to Anita for hanging on to the back seat reading the pace notes.
Jus sitting behind jagat is one thing and on top of that reading out pace notes...man that is something!!!

problem with the indian rally scene is the split b/n autorities.
once that is resolved things should improve.

[Tom]

ok...so the question is....
do we go by the FMSCI or MAI rules?

[Rtech]

lets not get political here please!

[Tom]

Political?
When did building a group N car become political

couple of us bought the FMSCI rule book and spent hell lot of time going thru it.
So im wondering....do i have to read the MAI rules too?

Are the rules different?

[Jaggu]

serious man those dumb ### political guys n manufacturers whay cant they join hands and give a push to the sports and sponsor couple of us poor guys lol..

[Rtech]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] ]couple of us bought the FMSCI rule book and spent hell lot of time going thru it.
So im wondering....do i have to read the MAI rules too?

Tom, think about it for a moment. Who actually runs the National Rally Championship?

As far as the regulations go, its simple really, follow the FIA regs! They are universally followed. Seriously though, if you are serious about rallying, read through the regs available on the MAI webiste. Its free!

[Tom]

yeah i saw it's free will read up....guess it's more or less the same stuff
most of the 4-wheeler rallies seem to be under MAI and 2-wheeler by the FMSCI.

Anyways..Rtech sound like ur a strong supporter of MAI

[Jaggu]

downloading/saving and then in the process of by hearting

the site is lol slow though :P Tom might giving it too many hits

[Rtech]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] ]most of the 4-wheeler rallies seem to be under MAI and 2-wheeler by the FMSCI.

Hey Tom, you got that right, and let me tell you the reasoning behind this. stay with me now, it may get a lil boring!

The FIA is the World goeverning body for 4 wheeler motorsports. The FIM is the governing body for 2 wheelers.

Both the FIA and FIM appoint a representative, a club if you will, in each of their member countries. These are called ASN's of Authority Sporting Nationale (french!).

In India, the ASN for 4 wheelers is the MAI and the ASN for 2 wheelers is the FMSCI. Both these associations are the only bodies in India allowed to issue competition licences in their respective area's to ppl wanting to take part in events.

Consequently, the MAI, as the 4 wheeler body, lays down the regulations for rallying, racing, karting...whatever! The FMSCI does the same for 2 wheelers. Any club organising an event must have a permit from either the MAI 4 wheels) or FMSCI (2 wheels).

Hope that explains a few things!

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] ]Anyways..Rtech sound like ur a strong supporter of MAI

No, I love motorsports. I have sacrificed a high paying career just so I can be around the sport. So it jsut frustrates me when I see some of the bullshit thats goes around and wastes everyone's time instead of ppl actually working towards the sport itself. Basically, there are too many old ppl with ego's!

However, I see a light at the end of the tunnel, and things are taking a turn for the better!

[Tom]

wow...thnks...that was informative.

how come FMSCI is still issuing competition license for 4-wheelers too.
They aslo have rule book for 4-wheelers.

[Rtech]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] ]how come FMSCI is still issuing competition license for 4-wheelers too.
They aslo have rule book for 4-wheelers.

Well, thats kinda where the problem lies.

The FMSCI were the ASN (4 wheels) for India till 1999. However, like any self respecting "babu", they will not let go of the power without a good, but unfounded, fight.

Hence, till recently, they went all out to disrupt the events organised by the MAI. However, there is currently a "peace handshake" between the 2, and the MAI has allowed drivers to apply for licences through the FMSCI. The actual licence issued is however an MAI licence, but it is only routed through the FMSCI.

As far as their rule book goes, well, I wonder what exactly you are talking about. However, rules are basically the same, as the FIA rules are the basis for both clubs.