[ajmat]

Originally Posted by Thad E Ginathom

I remain amazed that the Euro has survived this long. To me, it just did not make sense to impose a single currency on a countries that did not, and do not have, a single fiscal policy. Yes: the intention was to enslave all to a single fiscal policy. I guess it didn't work. I'm glad UK stayed out of it, and I could not see the UK ever joining the Euro. So, in that respect, leaving or staying is not an issue.

If the UK had adopted the Euro, it would have become a basket case like France (economy wise)

[sgiitk]

Originally Posted by ajmat

If the UK had adopted the Euro, it would have become a basket case like France (economy wise)

Before the € Britain under MT went into the European exchange rate mechanism, at artificially high rate, and then had to pull out. When the Euro came about there were strict inflation norms, in fact there were doubts about the Germans, since it was just after reunification. They pulled through but cold not be that tough. Some countries fudged their books (Greece and a couple more) and were trying to live off the Euro, and then the castle came tumbling down. Once you are into the EURO some degree of fiscal autonomy has to be sacrificed.

[RSR]

Another day, another mass slaughter (either attempted or accomplished). This has become the sorry state of Western Europe now, all thanks to the traitorous bullies sitting in Brussels!

While the slaughterer in Ansbach blasted himself off the face of the planet (good riddance to bad rubbish!) without taking any innocents with him, the scoundrel still managed to spill the blood of 15 Europeans at that German music festival.

What the pair of cold-blooded slaughterers did in that French place of worship in Saint-Étienne-du-Rouvray is being deliberately concealed by the mainstream media, who are merely reporting that they killed an elderly person after taking people hostage. One can always count on the European mainstream media morons to hide the truth, just as they most shamelessly covered up the unspeakable horrors that happened inside the Bataclan theatre (no doubt under orders from their masters sitting in Brussels!)

The people of Western Europe are increasingly beginning to look like lambs being led to their slaughter. More than the bloodthirsty murderers that commit these heinous, satanic, sub-human deeds, the people of Western Europe should blame the ones who enable them to do so i.e. their own traitorous politicians, their own bloated Brussels bureaucrats, their own mainstream media morons and other sinister forces that are hell-bent upon European suigenocide.


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Whether it is their fear of losing ground to the UKIP, or whether it is their genuine intention of listening to the voice of the British people and respecting their Brexit verdict, I do not know. But I heartily appreciate and applaud these Tory MPs for delivering a warning to the new British Prime Minister that they will not accept any compromise on the issue of not allowing the Brussels bullies to dictate Britain's immigration policies from now on!

The Tories who delivered this message to Ms. May have certainly earned my deep respect!

About 25 MPs met for breakfast in the House of Commons on Wednesday to discuss how they will push for firm guarantees from May that she will surrender no control over immigration in discussions with Brussels.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/to...lite-d2r0b7lrc

It's very heartening to see that Britain has some elected representatives who do listen to, and respect, the voice of their constituents. If only the other countries of Western Europe also had them in similar numbers, then the Continent's people would have been spared of the "one cold-blooded mass slaughter a day" phenomenon (either attempted or accomplished) that's going on right now, and which shockingly shows no signs of abating (for it's only getting worse with each passing day).

I think it's high time for the people of Europe to wake up! If the Brits can wake up and take the required action to save themselves before it's too late, then I see no reason why other Western Europeans cannot!

[Jeroen]

Some very remarkable comments. Each to its own of course.

I'm Dutch and my wife is British. We have lived in the UK for a number of years, we still own property in the UK and my wife still works in the UK. At some point in time we hope to retire in the UK. This Whole Brexit thing is just to ridiculous for words.

Fuelled by pathetically narrow minded people who think immigrants are to blame for everything in this world.

Jeroen

[Thad E Ginathom]

RSR... Do you blame the mass murders in the USA, for instance, on the existence of the EU?

You have, as yet, completely failed to show any substantial link between these horrors and the EU itself, and yet you go on about them as if that is presupposed. It isn't. I say, you are attempting to slur one thing by association with another. It is a politician's technique.

[Zed]

A strong EU balances the two superpowers. Democracy and socialism, as I understand these terms, is alive and well in central Europe. I get the impression that some of the folks in this discussion fail to recognize the fact that the EU project has helped dozens of countries transition into modern democracies. Compare that with the results of the alternate military strategy to introduce democracy in the middle east. It is unfair to judge decades of work that has gone into building the EU on the basis of the refugee crisis of the past 2-3 years

[RSR]

Originally Posted by Thad E Ginathom

You have, as yet, completely failed to show any substantial link between these horrors and the EU itself, and yet you go on about them as if that is presupposed.

Come on, Thad! You know as much I do that if I (or anyone else, for that matter) were to truly expose the link that you want to see, then it would be the easiest way of getting banned on this forum - for deliberately flouting the rules & disregarding the code-of-conduct (which I whole-heartedly support, by the way!)


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Prior to the Brexit vote, there was a tidal wave of hilarious fear-mongering unleashed upon the British public by the mainstream media morons over the supposed "economic consequences" that would follow a Brexit vote. Behind all that fear-mongering were the usual suspects - the Brussels bullies, the "Bremain" brigades, the London banksters and other assorted cabals whose aim of achieving European suigenocide through the establishment of EUrabia was under serious threat due to David Cameron's courageous and conscientious call for a remain-or-exit referendum (despite his personal support for Bremain & despite his dad's name featuring in the Panama papers, Mr. Cameron is one of the few British politicians whom I highly respect)!

Many naïve & brainwashed younger voters fell for the fear-mongering propaganda, while many older & wiser Brits were able to see right through the rubbish and managed to heroically save Britain, themselves and the naïve younger generations from certain doom & suigenocide!

Now that the news of the seismic shift created by the courageous British people in favour of European renaissance is slowly sinking in, the fear-mongering is beginning to get exposed for what it truly was - utter propaganda and a laughably rubbish one at that!

Britain's economic resilience will soon be shining bright, right alongside their cultural renaissance! Here comes the first round of multi-million pound investments in the British economy post Brexit:

GSK today announced £275 million of new investments at three of its manufacturing sites in the UK to boost production and support delivery of its latest innovative respiratory and large molecule biological medicines. The vast majority of these products will be for export to global markets.

-> Total of £275 million to be invested in sites at Barnard Castle, Co. Durham; Montrose, Scotland; and Ware, Hertfordshire

-> Investment in advanced manufacturing of new respiratory and biopharmaceuticals portfolio

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The company views the UK as an attractive location for investment in advanced manufacturing due to a number of factors including the skilled workforce, technological and scientific capabilities & infrastructure and a competitive corporate tax system. This includes the Patent Box, which encourages investment in R&D and related manufacturing in the UK by delivering a lower rate of corporation tax on profits generated from UK-owned intellectual property.

http://www.gsk.com/en-gb/media/press...uring-network/

As the icing on the cake, GSK is headed by a person who vociferously supported the silly Bremain brigades and their rubbish economic fear-mongering propaganda!

[nakul0888]

Originally Posted by Thad E Ginathom

RSR... Do you blame the mass murders in the USA, for instance, on the existence of the EU?

You have, as yet, completely failed to show any substantial link between these horrors and the EU itself, and yet you go on about them as if that is presupposed. It isn't. I say, you are attempting to slur one thing by association with another. It is a politician's technique.

Isn't it pretty obvious why these horrors are happening?

EU opened its borders to a group of people who simply does not believe in liberal western values like free speech, personal liberty and freedom. Along with these people they were also actual terrorists by the bucket loads who came into Europe. The leader of ISIS at that time even said it out in the open that they will exploit this opportunity to carry out attacks.

But the lefties who are in power at the moment in EU would have none of this. They wanted to pursue this open door policy for some perverted political gains and to make themselves look somehow morally better than everyone else. They were actually willing to compromise the safety of their own people for petty political gains. The left literally has went full retard both in Europe and US. Honestly you wouldn't believe some of the crap coming out of leftists German and French politicians. Hillary clinton if voted to power would most likely do the exact same. The west is engulfed in a battle between common sense and idiotic political correctness fueled from the left.

And the mainstream media like BBC, CNN, MSNBC are completely and unashamedly in bed with these governments pushing out leftist propaganda. Sadly even our major newspapers like the HINDU simply parrots these biased news word by word. It is so blatantly obvious by this point to everyone.

Normal people are sick and tired of it all and that is exactly why Donald Trump and Marie La penn are reasonating with ordinary people with their views about proper border control and immigration.

I would say the British people did the right thing in voting for Brexit. You can't put a price on the sovereignty of your own country. Being a member of the EU Britain would also be under the threat of terrorism having no control of its own borders . Older people realize this and voted for brexit, Young people most of them being pot smoking liberal arts yuppies brainwashed by liberal news media and hollywood stars voted to remain. Common sense eventually emerged victorious.

I have a dear friend of mine studying in Germany right now. I hope he is okay there because as of now Europe has become more dangerous than India. Man who would have thought that day would come. Atleast in U.S you have the constitutional right to buy a Gun for self defense. In Europe you are basically sitting ducks.

[Jeroen]

What I find truly baffling is that topics this complex can be solved by "one liners" .
Although this is a topic very close to my heart I just cant be bothered to try and make my opinion known.

As famous stand up comedian Ron White said, "you cant cure stupid". He is a well known southern republican red neck, sometime very witty and sometimes spot on.

Jeroen

[Thad E Ginathom]

Originally Posted by RSR

Come on, Thad! You know as much I do that if I (or anyone else, for that matter) were to truly expose the link that you want to see, then it would be the easiest way of getting banned on this forum - for deliberately flouting the rules & disregarding the code-of-conduct (which I whole-heartedly support, by the way!)

No. I don't know. It looks as if you want to spread thick the FUD talk, without any justification at all.

I see no sense in what you say.

Originally Posted by nakul0888

Isn't it pretty obvious why these horrors are happening?

Not at all obvious no. Or, it is obvious that its roots are in certain fundamentalist and fundamentally violent interpretations of Islam which do not originate in the EU.

It is at times like this that I wish I'd listened in school and learned more: I'm not very good at either history or geography. But I have an inkling that France has problems which date back to when it, like Britain, was screwing up the world to fill its coffers and then walking away. Will someone who has some better information on this, please contribute?

But if I am, even vaguely in the right district, on this one, then no, these horrible murders are not down to the EU, nor are they any reason to justify exit from it.

RSR: got anything solid to say? No more FUD, please. As to your opinions of the UK tory party, well, what can I say? Mine differ.

[dark.knight]

Keeping every sentiment or view in consideration, lets all agree to disagree on the details - more so because we do not have a clue on the details. All we can do is speculate and think in retrospect as each event comes to pass.

So far all that we can agree upon is the fact that there is something deeper cooking and it surely isn't covered by the popular media, however big they maybe. If we listen to each leader - Putin, Obama, Merkel, Schneider-Ammann, Ben Netanyahu etc there is enough cognitive dissonance to drive the public insane, but in the end its just each country trying to survive, or conquer or justify for reasons best known to them.

This comes under the classification International Automotive Scene so its best that we do not discuss deeper politics and instead stick to how it might affect the automotive scene in Europe or in general. Its an imperfect earth and that's the reality.

[GTO]

Mod Note: In line with our rules, lets keep politics out of this discussion, guys. Economics, implications etc. are all okay, but no politics.

[ecenandu]

Originally Posted by nakul0888

I have a dear friend of mine studying in Germany right now. I hope he is okay there because as of now Europe has become more dangerous than India. Man who would have thought that day would come. Atleast in U.S you have the constitutional right to buy a Gun for self defense. In Europe you are basically sitting ducks.

Wow, do you really think owning a gun will make you much safer? For me at least, I think it will make the situation a lot worse.

[Jeroen]

Originally Posted by ecenandu

Wow, do you really think owning a gun will make you much safer? For me at least, I think it will make the situation a lot worse.

Its a well proven fact that statistically speaking owning a gun increases your chance of being shot! Incredibly sad as the various terrorist/nut case activities are for those who get murdered, the fact remains there are thousands and thousands of cases where people get wounded and or shot for all sort of stupid reasons. From accidents where they shoot themselves or somebody else. Also, the number of lets call it neighborhood brawls that end up of people shooting each other is huge. ( check out youtube on this category!)

There is simply no evidence whatsoever that would even suggest remotely that owning a gun makes you statistically safer. To the contrary, if you look at gun related incidents its is very apparent that it is in fact the other way round. Standing up to a guy waving a gun with your own gun is more likely to get you shot, then running away from that guy. Thats just how the number work out. The idea that guns bring safety is just an imagination, maybe feel good factor, but doesn't hold any truth in the real world.

If owning guns should bring safety, the USA should be one of the safest places in the world when it comes to gun related incidents. Its not.


History has also shown in those few countries that have clamped down on personal gun possession over the years, the number of gun related incidents does come down significantly.

Once, some years ago I was mugged in NewYork. Two kids in the subway cornered me. One had a knife, the other a gun. They demanded my wallet, which I handed over. Would I have been safer if I had a gun? The outcome could have been very different. But statistically there would have been a very large chance of getting shot too.

Its just not worth it.

Jeroen

[RSR]

There is a stunningly simple yet super-effective slogan that is creating a loud wave in Deutschland at the moment, a wave that will only grow into a deafening tsunami soon. However, I will not mention it, for there is plenty of other good news for Ol' Blighty!

The Scots are rapidly beginning to realise that they would be way, way better off with the United Kingdom than jump ship after Brexit. For if they do so, they would be jumping onto an end-of-life creaky tub that's going to hit an iceberg sooner than later!

Scotland’s fishermen slap down Sturgeon’s dream to re-join EU!

The Scottish Fishermen’s Federation said Brexit presents “a unique opportunity for the UK to re-establish itself as a major fishing nation”.

Bertie Armstrong, SFF chief executive, said EU membership brought a “serious disadvantage for our fishing industry and coastal communities”.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/692...ream-rejoin-EU

Three cheers to the wise people of Scotland's coastal communities for standing up for their own rights as well as those of Scotland & Britain!