[avaneesh.]

Originally Posted by GutsyGibbon

. Electrolysis from water is super expensive, requires too much energy as water is a very stable substance.

I do agree with all of your above points except this. One need not electrolyze water to obtain hydrogen gas. From decades physicists have been working on photocatalysis where one can obtain hydrogen easily under aerobic conditions.

There is a long list of concerns with fuel cell technology. But I would take this over E-Vehicles as they are much cleaner than them

[rulerofsun]

I just wish and pray that captain Nemo and Jules Verne would have been alive in this time and help our scientists to create the perfect vehicle. EV or Hydrogen fuel they nailed it before electricity was available to the masses. I hope Easy Hydrogen fuel makes it to the common man as even batteries have a big CO2 foot print at the begining.

[Sankar]

Originally Posted by sri_tesla

For more details about Hydrogen and the issues currently being faced by Hydrogen car owners in Norway, watch the below video. It also shows why EVs are getting more popular across the world including Norway while Hydrogen is less successful despite much higher subsidies for Hydrogen cars:
https://www.Youtube.com/watch?v=h-6BRdUPq54&t=1s

That video was very informative. Some of the comments are also insightful.

Only downside of a plug in EV is range and charging time, once that gets sorted out it is bye bye hydrogen fuel cell powered car. Hydrogen fuel cell technology has its place in future but i do not think it belongs in an automobile.

[arunrajk81]

Design wise it’s elegant and great that it’s rear wheel drive.
I agree Hydrogen fuel call cars are cleaner for environment compared to ICE. Also I am not debating which more environment friendly car- electric vs Hydrogen fuel cell.

This is strictly from point of view of owning a Hydrogen fuel cell car. The availability of hydrogen filling stations is far scarcer than electric car charging points. Let’s ignore it as of now and hope more and more stations will come up in the future.

Now let’s see the fuel cost, which I think is the biggest negative for hydrogen fuel cell car. Mirai’s tank can hold 5 Kg of hydrogen and considering hydrogen costs around $16 in California, a full tank easily reach somewhere $80. It’s costlier than filling my petrol car that can hold 19 Gallon and my car gives more range than Mirai in one full tank and is an 8 seater. From fuel expense point of view, Hydrogen fuel cell car is burden even compared to a Petrol/Diesel car.

Considering Mirai specifically, it’s a very costly car in the range of USD 50k+ for existing models. Due to 2020 Year model change as well as due to low sales, Mirai was offering 15k USD worth fuel free (or 3 years fuel free) this year and still they were not able to find many buyers in California - Toyota was advertising it as “no cost commute”.

Just because of environment friendly reason, I don’t think lot of people is going to buy it unless they can bring down car price and fuel price. Here is where electric car score where fuel is cheap and the availability of low cost models in the market.

[Romeo_Mike]

Striking looks indeed. Finally some one has realized a way to get rid of the fat rear end associated with the FC cars of previous gen. IIRC, the 2011 Honda FCX Clarity was the first FC car that was "agreeable to look at" .

Speaking of FC vs EV, I think there is no clear advantage of FC over EV as far a green quotient is concerned. It will eventually depend on adaptation, just like any other rivalry in the past w. r. t next generation tech. Remember CRDI vs. PD for diesel engines? Or Blueray vs. HD DVD in the storage media space? Ultimately, one camp is going to concede defeat and their tech is going to fade away into oblivion.

[Venkatesh]

Next-Gen Toyota Mirai spied















https://www.motor1.com/news/449195/n...ai-spy-photos/

[Venkatesh]

Toyota Mirai fuel cell vehicle spotted in production form













https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...roduction-form

[Venkatesh]

2021 Toyota Mirai will come in XLE and Limited trim levels and a choice of four exterior colors. Toyota says Mirai will arrive in the U.S. in late December.

Its larger hydrogen fuel cell promises around 30 percent more range, meaning it should go around 400 miles on a tank, and its electric motor now powers the rear wheels rather than the fronts.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...ails-revealed/