GM's last Pontiac is a Toyota

Bumblebee86 · 12th June 2009, 12:38

According to the 2010 GM Product Guide, the 2010 model year Pontiac Vibe is the only model from the doomed brand for 2010 and is, therefore, the last Pontiac. That's right, the last Pontiac is actually a Toyota. The fact that the 2010 Pontiac Vibe is surviving until 2010 may have something to do with the join production deal GM has with Toyota to build the vehicle, along with its twin the Toyota Matrix, at the joint NUMMI production facility in Fremont, California. Every other vehicle will end at the 2009 MY with the exception of the fleet-only 2010 Pontiac G6.

amit V8 · 13th June 2009, 01:11

Its not a recent news, the Vibe is on sale for quite a long time. this is a better car, just think of the GTO (rebadged holden monaro), disrespecting the original muscle car.

Could anyone had ever imagined that this will happen to Pontiac?? Its all GM's fault, 1st Oldsmobile, now Pontiac. By 2012 they will start selling those cheap chinese clones badged as chevys in the U.S.
WHAT A SHAME!!

vasudeva · 29th September 2009, 12:23

As most would know, GM and Toyota have ended their California joint venture (NUMMI). NUMMI opened in 1983 and was dissolved this summer as part of GM's reorganization.

So what did Toyota learn from the venture. Recent report in Automotive News says this:
1. GM taught us a lot about American finance and purchasing.
2. Toyota also learned valuable lessons about integrating itself as a corporate citizen of the community - which came in handy two years later when Toyota opened its first wholly owned US assembly plant in Georgetown, Ky.
3. One other striking lesson, in the what-to-avoid category, was about segregation. Earlier in NUMMI build-up, Toyota saw bathrooms, cafeterias and parking lots segregated into white-collar and blue-collar sections. The plant's Japanese managers, raised in a culture that shuns the us-vs.-them approach in the workplace, quickly ditched that custom.

Volt · 29th September 2009, 18:16

Thats interesting Vasudeva, it seems Toyota did learn quite a bit in the joint venture. However as an article in the Detriot Free Press (Calif. to get dose of auto anguish | Detroit Free Press | Freep.com) points out, though GM also got its share of learning, most of it ended up at Saturn, whose core has now gone away.

What a marked difference in the way the two giants operate!!

aah78 · 30th September 2009, 04:11

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Originally Posted by amit V8

the Vibe is on sale for quite a long time. this is a better car, just think of the GTO (rebadged holden monaro), disrespecting the original muscle car.

No, it's not. The Vibe, and the Matrix are pathetic to drive and behold. Quality, of course is better in the Toyota but the Vibe isn't too bad.

The newer GTO was a fantastic car, as is the current G8 based on the Holden Commodore.

True, they could have avoided using the GTO name and gone the way of the new Camaro / Challenger for another retro car.

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Bumblebee86 BANNED Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Gudaibiya; BAHRAIN/ Vandiperiyar; KERALA/ Wuhan; CHINA Posts: 359 Thanked: 6 Times	GM's last Pontiac is a Toyota According to the 2010 GM Product Guide, the 2010 model year Pontiac Vibe is the only model from the doomed brand for 2010 and is, therefore, the last Pontiac. That's right, the last Pontiac is actually a Toyota. The fact that the 2010 Pontiac Vibe is surviving until 2010 may have something to do with the join production deal GM has with Toyota to build the vehicle, along with its twin the Toyota Matrix, at the joint NUMMI production facility in Fremont, California. Every other vehicle will end at the 2009 MY with the exception of the fleet-only 2010 Pontiac G6.
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amit V8 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: kolkata Posts: 1,070 Thanked: 217 Times	Its not a recent news, the Vibe is on sale for quite a long time. this is a better car, just think of the GTO (rebadged holden monaro), disrespecting the original muscle car. Could anyone had ever imagined that this will happen to Pontiac?? Its all GM's fault, 1st Oldsmobile, now Pontiac. By 2012 they will start selling those cheap chinese clones badged as chevys in the U.S. WHAT A SHAME!! Last edited by amit V8 : 13th June 2009 at 01:13.
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vasudeva Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 2,223 Thanked: 212 Times	As most would know, GM and Toyota have ended their California joint venture (NUMMI). NUMMI opened in 1983 and was dissolved this summer as part of GM's reorganization. So what did Toyota learn from the venture. Recent report in Automotive News says this: 1. GM taught us a lot about American finance and purchasing. 2. Toyota also learned valuable lessons about integrating itself as a corporate citizen of the community - which came in handy two years later when Toyota opened its first wholly owned US assembly plant in Georgetown, Ky. 3. One other striking lesson, in the what-to-avoid category, was about segregation. Earlier in NUMMI build-up, Toyota saw bathrooms, cafeterias and parking lots segregated into white-collar and blue-collar sections. The plant's Japanese managers, raised in a culture that shuns the us-vs.-them approach in the workplace, quickly ditched that custom.
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Volt BHPian Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Mumbai Posts: 183 Thanked: 5 Times	Thats interesting Vasudeva, it seems Toyota did learn quite a bit in the joint venture. However as an article in the Detriot Free Press (Calif. to get dose of auto anguish \| Detroit Free Press \| Freep.com) points out, though GM also got its share of learning, most of it ended up at Saturn, whose core has now gone away. What a marked difference in the way the two giants operate!!
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