Motogp 800cc prototype info thread

devsus · 31st October 2006, 13:48

hello bhpian's,
i have started this new thread so that all of us remain updated on motogp new 800cc prototype bikes that will compete in 2007onward for atleast next five year.....so any of u guy's receive, get...search..etc.etc. any news , update on new 800cc motogp bikes plz... list here...So, guy's i am starting this thread....

honda showed there new 800cc protoype model, just here is the link
http://www.crash.net/news_view~t~Honda-unveil--RC212V--~cid~6~id~139699.htm
according to some souces..ducati is way ahead in developing 800cc bikes...they have developed 20, 800cc engines having different specification , nature , charractersitics..etc.etc...but common desmodromic-valve-gear, for this 25 person team is divided into 5 small group...only two vehicle mfg co. ducati & merc have succesfully implemented desmodromic-valve-gear system .

honda: as we all know that RC211V was having 5 cyclinder in vertical , each cylinder having 200cubic capacity....total cc was thus 1000cc...so new RC212V 800cc bike was made by removing 1 cylinder from RC211V honda....rest of the mfg..including yam, kawa, ducati, etc..has made new engine from scratch.....

so, all in all progresswise ducati is at top at this time...but time will tell?

1) illmor : http://www.crash.net/news_view~t~PIC...~id~138824.htm
2) http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=800cc
3)http://www.crash.net/news_view~t~FIR...~id~135993.htm
4) http://www.crash.net/news_view~t~800...~id~129399.htm
5) http://www.motoreview.net/news/misc/...down-pictures/
6) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motogp

devsus · 31st October 2006, 14:12

here's another link
1) http://www.cmsnl.com/news/first-pics...v_news354.html
2) http://www.crash.net/news_View~t~-B-...~id~137909.htm
3)

turbo_v12 · 2nd November 2006, 09:14

Hey devsus, nice upates.

I don't have any updates to add save for the fact that Ducati actually had 40 different engine configurations for the 800cc engines. So, though it is commonly accepted that theoretically Honda will get rid of the passenger cylinder (the 5th cylinder) to reduce the engine size to 792 cc, it is still hard to say until next year. Or maybe the secretive way in which Honda & Yamaha work, it might even be never.

devsus · 2nd November 2006, 18:53

unofficial lap time of valencia circuit ( 800cc bike only)
1) valentino rossi camel yamaha 43lap 1:33:10.
2) loris caprirossi ducati marlboro 53lap 1:33:11.
5) john hopkins rizla suzuki 29 lap 1:33:13
10) nicky hayden repsol honda 87lap 1:33:66

complete report here:
http://www.motogp.com/en/motogp/moto...id=3&section=1

hayden: we've made valentino rossi mad (commented hayden)
complete report: http://www.crash.net/news_view~t~Hay...~id~139786.htm

rossi back on top:
http://www.crash.net/news_view~t~Ros...~id~139779.htm

Barros makes promising return.:

http://www.crash.net/news_view~t~Bar...~id~139791.htm

Suzuki thrilled with 800 debut.

http://www.crash.net/news_view~t~Suz...~id~139788.htm

discussion at another forum
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=589734

motop rules
http://motogp.tiscali.com/en/motogp/...&news_id=12277

@turbov12 thnx my bro.

turbo_v12 · 2nd November 2006, 19:02

What is Barros doing astride D'Antin Ducati when he had such a good ride with XTreme Honda on WSBK last year? We all know how good the satellite Ducati team is...

devsus · 2nd November 2006, 21:55

some details of ducati_desmosedici bike:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ducati_Desmosedici

devsus · 3rd November 2006, 14:33

First 800cc test falls to Pedrosa

http://www.crash.net/news_view~t~Fir...~id~139806.htm
Valencia test - day two:

1. Dani Pedrosa SPA Repsol Honda Team (800cc) 1min 32.66 secs
2. Chris Vermeulen AUS Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (800cc) 1min 32.69 secs
3. Casey Stoner AUS Ducati Marlboro Team (800cc) 1min 32.94 secs
4. John Hopkins USA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (800cc) 1min 32.95 secs
5. Loris Capirossi ITA Ducati Marlboro Team (800cc) 1min 33.01 secs
6. Nicky Hayden USA Repsol Honda Team (800cc) 1min 33.03 secs
7. Alex Barros BRA Pramac d'Antin MotoGP (990cc) 1min 33.20 secs
8. Valentino Rossi ITA Camel Yamaha Team (800cc) 1min 33.78 secs
9. Jeremy McWilliams GBR Ilmor SRT (800cc) 1min 35.90 secs
10. Andrew Pitt AUS Ilmor SRT (800cc) 1min 36.40 secs
11. Nobuatsu Aoki JPN Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (800cc) 1min 37.30 secs
The next winter test session will take place at Sepang, Malaysia, on November 15.

devsus · 3rd November 2006, 14:52

About RC212V:

RC212V - Technical Specifications:
Overall length : 2050mm
Overall width : 645mm
Overall height : 1125mm
Wheelbase : 1440mm
Road clearance : 125mm
Weight (kg) : over 148kg
Engine type: liquid-cooled four-stroke DOHC 4 valve V-4
Displacement : 800cc
Maximum power : 200+
Frame type : twin-tube
Front Wheels (inch) : 16.5
Rear Wheels (inch) : 16.5
Front Suspension : Telescopic fork
Rear Suspension : New Unit Pro-link
Fuel tank capacity : 21 litre

"When we started development of the 800cc machine, effectively the 'second generation' of Honda MotoGP bike, we gave top priority to the pursuit of excellent handling and drivability," explained Takanori Okuma, the Honda R&D RC212V project leader. "For the newly-reduced engine capacity of 800cc, we decided a V4 was the most efficient layout. Rather than focusing solely on top end power, we also concentrated on producing good power delivery characteristics, which can have a significant effect on lap times. Using enhanced control systems, the result is an engine with good drivability in the low and mid ranges, and excellent power under acceleration when the engine is at the top of its range.
"On the chassis side, we further enhanced the 'mass concentration' package developed for the RC211V to improve the agility and quick handling characteristics of the bike," he continued. "The outward appearance is aggressive and appropriately innovative for a new generation of bike, affording both drivability and aerodynamic efficiency. We will continue to evolve the bike before the season opener and throughout next season."

About ducati GP7:
About 225 bhp@ 18200 rpm.
V4 desmodromic valve gear system...rest to come?????

devsus · 3rd November 2006, 19:31

Rossi: I wish the season started in two weeks.

complete report: http://www.crash.net/news_view~t~Ros...~id~139812.htm

devsus · 8th November 2006, 19:55

800cc Yamaha still to be named

http://www.crash.net/news_view~t~800...~id~139957.htm

devsus · 9th November 2006, 18:46

MotoGP winter test schedule.

http://www.crash.net/news_view~t~Mot...~id~139986.htm

devsus · 15th November 2006, 20:01

Sepang MotoGP test times - Wednesday

1. Colin Edwards USA Camel Yamaha Team (800cc) 2min 3.56 secs
2. Chris Vermeulen AUS Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (800cc) 2min 3.90 secs
3. John Hopkins USA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (800cc) 2min 4.00 secs
4. Olivier Jacque FRA Kawasaki Racing Team (990cc) 2min 4.08 secs
5. Nicky Hayden USA Repsol Honda Team (800cc) 2min 4.69 secs
6. Toni Elias SPA Fortuna Honda (800cc) 2min 5.02 secs
7. Makoto Tamada JPN Tech 3 Yamaha (990cc) 2min 5.11 secs
8. Tady Okada JPN Honda (800cc) 2min 5.90 secs
9. Nobuatsu Aoki JPN Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (800cc) 2min 6.60 secs
10. Carlos Checa SPA Honda LCR (800cc) 2min 11.05 secs

http://www.crash.net/news_view~t~Sep...~id~140247.htm

31st October 2006, 13:48	#1
devsus BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: ajmer Posts: 70 Thanked: 0 Times	Motogp 800cc prototype info thread hello bhpian's, i have started this new thread so that all of us remain updated on motogp new 800cc prototype bikes that will compete in 2007onward for atleast next five year.....so any of u guy's receive, get...search..etc.etc. any news , update on new 800cc motogp bikes plz... list here...So, guy's i am starting this thread.... honda showed there new 800cc protoype model, just here is the link http://www.crash.net/news_view~t~Honda-unveil--RC212V--~cid~6~id~139699.htm according to some souces..ducati is way ahead in developing 800cc bikes...they have developed 20, 800cc engines having different specification , nature , charractersitics..etc.etc...but common desmodromic-valve-gear, for this 25 person team is divided into 5 small group...only two vehicle mfg co. ducati & merc have succesfully implemented desmodromic-valve-gear system . honda: as we all know that RC211V was having 5 cyclinder in vertical , each cylinder having 200cubic capacity....total cc was thus 1000cc...so new RC212V 800cc bike was made by removing 1 cylinder from RC211V honda....rest of the mfg..including yam, kawa, ducati, etc..has made new engine from scratch..... so, all in all progresswise ducati is at top at this time...but time will tell? 1) illmor : http://www.crash.net/news_view~t~PIC...~id~138824.htm 2) http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=800cc 3)http://www.crash.net/news_view~t~FIR...~id~135993.htm 4) http://www.crash.net/news_view~t~800...~id~129399.htm 5) http://www.motoreview.net/news/misc/...down-pictures/ 6) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motogp Last edited by devsus : 31st October 2006 at 14:06.
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31st October 2006, 14:12	#2
devsus BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: ajmer Posts: 70 Thanked: 0 Times	here's another link 1) http://www.cmsnl.com/news/first-pics...v_news354.html 2) http://www.crash.net/news_View~t~-B-...~id~137909.htm 3)
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2nd November 2006, 09:14	#3
turbo_v12 BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Thane Posts: 457 Thanked: Once View My Garage	Hey devsus, nice upates. I don't have any updates to add save for the fact that Ducati actually had 40 different engine configurations for the 800cc engines. So, though it is commonly accepted that theoretically Honda will get rid of the passenger cylinder (the 5th cylinder) to reduce the engine size to 792 cc, it is still hard to say until next year. Or maybe the secretive way in which Honda & Yamaha work, it might even be never.
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2nd November 2006, 18:53	#4
devsus BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: ajmer Posts: 70 Thanked: 0 Times	unofficial lap time of valencia circuit ( 800cc bike only) 1) valentino rossi camel yamaha 43lap 1:33:10. 2) loris caprirossi ducati marlboro 53lap 1:33:11. 5) john hopkins rizla suzuki 29 lap 1:33:13 10) nicky hayden repsol honda 87lap 1:33:66 complete report here: http://www.motogp.com/en/motogp/moto...id=3&section=1 hayden: we've made valentino rossi mad (commented hayden) complete report: http://www.crash.net/news_view~t~Hay...~id~139786.htm rossi back on top: http://www.crash.net/news_view~t~Ros...~id~139779.htm Barros makes promising return.: http://www.crash.net/news_view~t~Bar...~id~139791.htm Suzuki thrilled with 800 debut. http://www.crash.net/news_view~t~Suz...~id~139788.htm discussion at another forum http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=589734 motop rules http://motogp.tiscali.com/en/motogp/...&news_id=12277 @turbov12 thnx my bro.
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2nd November 2006, 19:02	#5
turbo_v12 BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Thane Posts: 457 Thanked: Once View My Garage	What is Barros doing astride D'Antin Ducati when he had such a good ride with XTreme Honda on WSBK last year? We all know how good the satellite Ducati team is...
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2nd November 2006, 21:55	#6
devsus BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: ajmer Posts: 70 Thanked: 0 Times	some details of ducati_desmosedici bike: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ducati_Desmosedici
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3rd November 2006, 14:33	#7
devsus BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: ajmer Posts: 70 Thanked: 0 Times	First 800cc test falls to Pedrosa http://www.crash.net/news_view~t~Fir...~id~139806.htm Valencia test - day two: 1. Dani Pedrosa SPA Repsol Honda Team (800cc) 1min 32.66 secs 2. Chris Vermeulen AUS Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (800cc) 1min 32.69 secs 3. Casey Stoner AUS Ducati Marlboro Team (800cc) 1min 32.94 secs 4. John Hopkins USA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (800cc) 1min 32.95 secs 5. Loris Capirossi ITA Ducati Marlboro Team (800cc) 1min 33.01 secs 6. Nicky Hayden USA Repsol Honda Team (800cc) 1min 33.03 secs 7. Alex Barros BRA Pramac d'Antin MotoGP (990cc) 1min 33.20 secs 8. Valentino Rossi ITA Camel Yamaha Team (800cc) 1min 33.78 secs 9. Jeremy McWilliams GBR Ilmor SRT (800cc) 1min 35.90 secs 10. Andrew Pitt AUS Ilmor SRT (800cc) 1min 36.40 secs 11. Nobuatsu Aoki JPN Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (800cc) 1min 37.30 secs The next winter test session will take place at Sepang, Malaysia, on November 15.
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3rd November 2006, 14:52	#8
devsus BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: ajmer Posts: 70 Thanked: 0 Times	About RC212V: RC212V - Technical Specifications: Overall length : 2050mm Overall width : 645mm Overall height : 1125mm Wheelbase : 1440mm Road clearance : 125mm Weight (kg) : over 148kg Engine type: liquid-cooled four-stroke DOHC 4 valve V-4 Displacement : 800cc Maximum power : 200+ Frame type : twin-tube Front Wheels (inch) : 16.5 Rear Wheels (inch) : 16.5 Front Suspension : Telescopic fork Rear Suspension : New Unit Pro-link Fuel tank capacity : 21 litre "When we started development of the 800cc machine, effectively the 'second generation' of Honda MotoGP bike, we gave top priority to the pursuit of excellent handling and drivability," explained Takanori Okuma, the Honda R&D RC212V project leader. "For the newly-reduced engine capacity of 800cc, we decided a V4 was the most efficient layout. Rather than focusing solely on top end power, we also concentrated on producing good power delivery characteristics, which can have a significant effect on lap times. Using enhanced control systems, the result is an engine with good drivability in the low and mid ranges, and excellent power under acceleration when the engine is at the top of its range. "On the chassis side, we further enhanced the 'mass concentration' package developed for the RC211V to improve the agility and quick handling characteristics of the bike," he continued. "The outward appearance is aggressive and appropriately innovative for a new generation of bike, affording both drivability and aerodynamic efficiency. We will continue to evolve the bike before the season opener and throughout next season." About ducati GP7: About 225 bhp@ 18200 rpm. V4 desmodromic valve gear system...rest to come?????
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3rd November 2006, 19:31	#9
devsus BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: ajmer Posts: 70 Thanked: 0 Times	Rossi: I wish the season started in two weeks. complete report: http://www.crash.net/news_view~t~Ros...~id~139812.htm
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8th November 2006, 19:55	#10
devsus BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: ajmer Posts: 70 Thanked: 0 Times	800cc Yamaha still to be named http://www.crash.net/news_view~t~800...~id~139957.htm
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9th November 2006, 18:46	#11
devsus BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: ajmer Posts: 70 Thanked: 0 Times	MotoGP winter test schedule. http://www.crash.net/news_view~t~Mot...~id~139986.htm
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15th November 2006, 20:01	#12
devsus BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: ajmer Posts: 70 Thanked: 0 Times	Sepang MotoGP test times - Wednesday 1. Colin Edwards USA Camel Yamaha Team (800cc) 2min 3.56 secs 2. Chris Vermeulen AUS Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (800cc) 2min 3.90 secs 3. John Hopkins USA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (800cc) 2min 4.00 secs 4. Olivier Jacque FRA Kawasaki Racing Team (990cc) 2min 4.08 secs 5. Nicky Hayden USA Repsol Honda Team (800cc) 2min 4.69 secs 6. Toni Elias SPA Fortuna Honda (800cc) 2min 5.02 secs 7. Makoto Tamada JPN Tech 3 Yamaha (990cc) 2min 5.11 secs 8. Tady Okada JPN Honda (800cc) 2min 5.90 secs 9. Nobuatsu Aoki JPN Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (800cc) 2min 6.60 secs 10. Carlos Checa SPA Honda LCR (800cc) 2min 11.05 secs http://www.crash.net/news_view~t~Sep...~id~140247.htm
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