[myavu]

Originally Posted by ds.raikkonen

And there were driveability issues with both cars over the weekend as compared to the Mercs as I mentioned.

We are talking about the Qualifying of last Saturday which was completed on full wet tyres (which is very uncommon) and in Q3 it was raining harder like anything. Whatever difference in dry between Merc and RB will get nullified in those situations.

[Amsdoc]

Verstappen seems more on the edge which makes him a more compelling watch. Lewis is more planted. Some of it may be to do with the car. But the best drivers make a great drive look boring. If you guys watched WRC, every body seemed to be drifting, sliding and jumping like crazy and Seb Loeb seemed like he was on a Sunday drive through the countryside (comparatively). When the times came, he was easily faster than most. Ham is similar I feel.

[ds.raikkonen]

Originally Posted by myavu

Whatever difference in dry between Merc and RB will get nullified in those situations.

Its not that straight forward, nothing gets so easily 'nullified' in motorsports. Some drivers come out on top due to better overall feel of the car and tyres. This was Hamilton's day and he was simply in a different league (like Senna in the races mentioned earlier).

Sometimes its Verstappen, sometimes Hamilton. I remember Verstappen besting the Hamilton-Mercedes package last year in similar conditions in Germany. Anyway, let's see what this weekends throws at us.

[rakirank]

How does one overlook Schumacher's drive in the 1998 Belgian Grand Prix.

He lapped everyone upto 2nd place David Coulthard and was looking to overtake David when he went into the back of David's car.

You could attribute this to Michael's impatience or David being difficult to lap depending on your point of view.

That said, it was brilliant driving by Michael in the wet, until that point in time.

https://youtu.be/fUkTSzPkiq8

[Amsdoc]

Originally Posted by rakirank

How does one overlook Schumacher's drive in the 1998 Belgian Grand Prix.He lapped everyone upto 2nd place David Coulthard and was looking to overtake David when he went into the back of David's car.You could attribute this to Michael's impatience or David being difficult to lap depending on your point of view.That said, it was brilliant driving by Michael in the wet, until that point in time.

Oh yes. I remember this well. I was so livid with Coulthard just like MS who went to fight with him later on. But DC was on the racing line in the wet and had made no attempts to block MS. I think it was an error by MS which cost him the race and probably the championship.

[myavu]

Originally Posted by ds.raikkonen

Its not that straight forward, nothing gets so easily 'nullified' in motorsports.

But that's what F1 pandits, ex-drivers and engineers say. I like to believe them because they all have real life experiences than mere spectators and enthusiasts.

In a terrible wet quali a car like Merc and RB will be absolute equal. Yes there will be difference if they had set the car for more downforce (wet setup). But here Merc went with dry setup for Sunday.

What say, even the Safety Car was slipping and sliding throughout the inspection laps.

And about last years Germany's drive. It was simple goof up by Merc garage. Wrong tyres. MV too spins on Mediums initially. When LH came in for nose change / tyre change the rusty pit crew endured 50 odd seconds long pit stop while MV dived in and went for Intermediate tyres and he wins from there. Additional 5 seconds penalty and car problems didn't helped LH either.

Back to point. You are comparing a full race that too used different tyres (Soft, Medium, Intermediates, etc.) to a qualification which used only full wet tyres. That is not an apple to apple comparison.

I once again reiterate that my points are based on last Saturday's qualifying which was done under normal to heavy rainfall. By the time Q3 started it was raining very heavily and most of the drivers including MV was reporting vision problems. LH used his experience, talent and skill to drive the car with brake control, throttle control, converting aquaplaning to his advantage and did a monstrous lap. Simple as that.

When MV or any driver matters do something similar next time, I will be the one among who will be cheering the most. No ifs, no buts.

Topic closed.

Note: You should start watching F1 through SkySports F1 channel. Not the one telecasted through Star Spots Select or Hotstar.

[kar_thikr]

Vettel's drive in the 2008 Italian grand prix cannot be overlooked, he put an inferior car with a dry set-up on pole and lead most almost the whole race to take the checkered flag.The "weltmeister" had arrived.

Although he is getting a lot of flak for his mistake in the 2018 German grand prix he more than made up that the very next year, with a magnificent 20th → 2nd drive.

[ds.raikkonen]

Originally Posted by myavu

In a terrible wet quali a car like Merc and RB will be absolute equal. Yes there will be difference if they had set the car for more downforce (wet setup). But here Merc went with dry setup for Sunday

Regarding data, I have already shown the difference in corners. If you have any 'data' which proves Red Bull and Merc were same last weekend, I will be happy to be proved wrong! But for that you need to start showing data and not just talking about it to prove your point

Ok how about this, just go through this link and let me know your thoughts regarding the balance of Red Bull. Even during wet FP and qualy, Max and Alex struggled. Max openly complained regarding the rear end. And if you heard the great pundit/driver/commentator Martin Brundle saying "That Mercedes must be amazing to drive, Hamilton and Bottas are able to stick to lines no one else is able to!", then you know what I was talking about earlier.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...V8CNCqOeM.html

Though I agree to close the topic here. Let us continue to believe in whatever we want to and move on..

[myavu]

Originally Posted by ds.raikkonen

Regarding data, I have already shown the difference in corners. If you have any 'data' which proves Red Bull and Merc were same last weekend, I will be happy to be proved wrong! But for that you need to start showing data and not just talking about it to prove your point

I am not answering anything more on the topic. But for your bolded query just watch qualifying again. Watch the quali and race pre-builds. Watch the quali and race post analysis. I already mention to watch it on SkySports F1 and all the videos are available there for paid members. It is not my duty to throw screenshots from race videos and talk like a pro. As I said earlier I will only take analysis and findings from informed people. That doesn't mean you can't have your own analysis and theories. But don't mix it with dry and wet quali. Just re-watch what Brundle and company commended throughout 2020 Styrian Quali.

Update: If you want to see what a genuine car setup is, drivability is, engine power is, driver quality is, team quality is, just watch 2020 Hungararing Q3