McLaren - What a shame!

madhav · 14th December 2007, 22:31

Somehow the tone and timing of this "Confession" letter from McLaren does not seem right! It seems like there is a larger story behind the screen which we will never know. I cannot read the stuff on the net and feel that the right thing has happened. Something is missing...

Next year, if McLaren loose, everyone will say that they were good in 2007 because of Ferrari info and if they win, everyone will say that there is more Ferrari stuff on the car and hence they won! This is never going to go away for McLaren!

Ron should quit and after about 2 years write a book which will tell a story...a very interesting story!

FERRO · 14th December 2007, 22:53

atleast Mclaren did the right thing now maybe bcoz the sponsors pressurized them !?

vennarbank · 14th December 2007, 22:53

Even i am not convinced that the whole truth is out. It seems it is worse than what Macca makes us to believe. I am getting fed up with politics, spy scandals, engine freeze etc. To me F1 is about using technology for better car in terms of speed and safety.

Also regarding ban on tyre blanket warmers, i am not sure this is a good idea as the cars may lose control if the tyre is not sufficiently warm. I do not have much of knowledge in this. Guys please comment...

FERRO · 15th December 2007, 12:02

one thing is certain McLaren wont win a WCC or WDC this decade even if they did it will be tagged cheats

snaronikar · 15th December 2007, 17:58

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Originally Posted by FERRO

one thing is certain McLaren wont win a WCC or WDC this decade even if they did it will be tagged cheats

With the FIA indirectly supporting Ferrari, we cannot expect Mclaren to win any of the WCC/WDC

RacingForIndia · 15th December 2007, 20:29

Man I just wish this was put to rest once and for all. Lets go racing and keep the politics at bay.

merve_extreme · 15th December 2007, 21:42

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Originally Posted by RacingForIndia

But to say that the FIA is not baised is such an uninformed statement,

yes,yes i get the point,FIA is biased,happy now?

why are you making you opinion seem as the truth is beyond me,do you have any proof to show us the truth about what you are saying,just because you believe that FIA is biased doesn't make it a truth and others opinion seem less knowledgeable,just speculating is not going to get anywhere.

Atleast when i say they are not biased i can use some Facts

1)2006 FIA banned the mass dampers on complaint of Ron Dennis(Mclaren) affecting both Renault and Ferrari.-Benefit Mclaren
2)2007 FIA punished Mclaren for lying about ferrari info which they have now accepted to using.-Benefit Ferrari
3)2007 FIA did not punish Renault because FIA felt that Renault were being frank and did not use the info.-Benefit Renault
4)In brazil 2007 Mclaren were not punished heavily for using extra set of tyres.-Benefit Mclaren
5)Michael Schumacher was given 2 sec penalty for overtaking on red while entering the pit.-Benefit Renault,Mclaren
6)Michael schumacher was send to back of grid on monaco 2006.-Benefit Renault,Mclaren
7)2007 Brazil fuel saga-Benifit Ferrari,Williams,BMW
8)Drivers exempted from stepygate punishment.-Benefit Mclaren.

RacingForIndia · 15th December 2007, 23:39

@merve_extreme
As I said in my post, I'd like to put all this back and just go racing... but I can open a can of worms on here to show how the FIA is biased and how Ferrari has benefitted from seemingly fair and innocent descisions made by the FIA.
Let me know if you can handle it and I will bring it on.

Aditya · 16th December 2007, 08:31

Cool it guys. I don't want rubbish flying around here.

merve_extreme · 16th December 2007, 09:25

Off course there will be no rubbish,bring it on Racing

anachronix · 17th December 2007, 12:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by RacingForIndia

@merve_extreme
As I said in my post, I'd like to put all this back and just go racing... but I can open a can of worms on here to show how the FIA is biased and how Ferrari has benefitted from seemingly fair and innocent descisions made by the FIA.
Let me know if you can handle it and I will bring it on.

Come on Racing for India! Bring it on... It is always good to discuss the facts and close it once and for all!

RacingForIndia · 17th December 2007, 17:32

Guys I am tied-up with work, gimme a couple of days and I will get back on this one.

merve_extreme · 17th December 2007, 17:51

yep sure,take your time.

im_srini · 20th December 2007, 09:20

Hi guys, while some of us wait for something to hit the fan around here, I thought fellow F1 fans could do with a touch of humor... Hence I present this, the first few pages where Ian Mill lays out the case against Renault will have you cracking up in no time - a major case of the Pot calling the Kettle black methinks !

Can't wait for all the highly confidential & previously unpublished evidence of the collusion between the FIA & Ferrari that's going to be divulged here soon ! Conspiracy theorists rock, one can always depend on them for a laugh, or two !

da_lowrider · 26th December 2007, 14:33

Just out of curiosity does the rule changes before the 2005 season (psst....to stop a rampant Micheal Schumacher and Ferrari in his tracks) qualify as the FIA being biased towards Ferrari?

14th December 2007, 22:31	#16
madhav BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 290 Thanked: 84 Times	Somehow the tone and timing of this "Confession" letter from McLaren does not seem right! It seems like there is a larger story behind the screen which we will never know. I cannot read the stuff on the net and feel that the right thing has happened. Something is missing... Next year, if McLaren loose, everyone will say that they were good in 2007 because of Ferrari info and if they win, everyone will say that there is more Ferrari stuff on the car and hence they won! This is never going to go away for McLaren! Ron should quit and after about 2 years write a book which will tell a story...a very interesting story!
	() Thanks

14th December 2007, 22:53	#17
FERRO BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Mumbai Posts: 313 Thanked: 2 Times	atleast Mclaren did the right thing now maybe bcoz the sponsors pressurized them !?
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14th December 2007, 22:53	#18
vennarbank BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Chennai Posts: 179 Thanked: 158 Times	What a Shame Even i am not convinced that the whole truth is out. It seems it is worse than what Macca makes us to believe. I am getting fed up with politics, spy scandals, engine freeze etc. To me F1 is about using technology for better car in terms of speed and safety. Also regarding ban on tyre blanket warmers, i am not sure this is a good idea as the cars may lose control if the tyre is not sufficiently warm. I do not have much of knowledge in this. Guys please comment...
	() Thanks

15th December 2007, 12:02	#19
FERRO BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Mumbai Posts: 313 Thanked: 2 Times	one thing is certain McLaren wont win a WCC or WDC this decade even if they did it will be tagged cheats
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15th December 2007, 20:29	#21
RacingForIndia BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Pune Posts: 483 Thanked: 36 Times View My Garage	FIA - Enough is enough. Man I just wish this was put to rest once and for all. Lets go racing and keep the politics at bay.
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15th December 2007, 23:39	#23
RacingForIndia BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Pune Posts: 483 Thanked: 36 Times View My Garage	@merve_extreme As I said in my post, I'd like to put all this back and just go racing... but I can open a can of worms on here to show how the FIA is biased and how Ferrari has benefitted from seemingly fair and innocent descisions made by the FIA. Let me know if you can handle it and I will bring it on. Last edited by RacingForIndia : 15th December 2007 at 23:40. Reason: Improper HTML tags
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16th December 2007, 08:31	#24
Aditya Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 20,074 Thanked: 86,557 Times View My Garage	Cool it guys. I don't want rubbish flying around here.
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16th December 2007, 09:25	#25
merve_extreme Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,359 Thanked: 18 Times View My Garage	Off course there will be no rubbish,bring it on Racing
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17th December 2007, 17:32	#27
RacingForIndia BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Pune Posts: 483 Thanked: 36 Times View My Garage	Guys I am tied-up with work, gimme a couple of days and I will get back on this one.
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17th December 2007, 17:51	#28
merve_extreme Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,359 Thanked: 18 Times View My Garage	yep sure,take your time.
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20th December 2007, 09:20	#29
im_srini BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Portland Posts: 1,010 Thanked: 491 Times View My Garage	Hi guys, while some of us wait for something to hit the fan around here, I thought fellow F1 fans could do with a touch of humor... Hence I present this, the first few pages where Ian Mill lays out the case against Renault will have you cracking up in no time - a major case of the Pot calling the Kettle black methinks ! Can't wait for all the highly confidential & previously unpublished evidence of the collusion between the FIA & Ferrari that's going to be divulged here soon ! Conspiracy theorists rock, one can always depend on them for a laugh, or two ! Last edited by im_srini : 20th December 2007 at 09:28.
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26th December 2007, 14:33	#30
da_lowrider BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Mumbai / Gold Coast Posts: 247 Thanked: 238 Times	Just out of curiosity does the rule changes before the 2005 season (psst....to stop a rampant Micheal Schumacher and Ferrari in his tracks) qualify as the FIA being biased towards Ferrari?
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