Originally Posted by im_srini
(Post 1602220)
With the TC ban, Kimi became a damp squib |
Originally Posted by im_srini
(Post 1602220)
the only spectaculars from the "IceMan" were his wisecracks |
Originally Posted by im_srini
(Post 1602220)
It was poor Massa who took the fight to Lewis most of this year too. |
Originally Posted by im_srini
(Post 1602220)
I don't remember Schumi being outclassed by his team-mate - ever... |
Originally Posted by Indianstorms
(Post 1603064)
A Senna - God Mika - The King Schumi - Master Tactician Kimi- has a lot to learn!! |
Originally Posted by AbhayJames
(Post 1657569)
Any racer that can win at Spa 4 times is a driving god. |
Originally Posted by im_srini
(Post 1660991)
Ahem, Schumi's won it 6 times, Senna (the real driving God) has won it 5 times ! |
Originally Posted by McLaren Rulez
(Post 1661051)
Schumacher won six times out of fourteen attempts. Raikkonen won it four times in seven attempts. That gives Kimi a success rate of 57.1% which is significantly better than Schumacher's 42.8%. Senna's percentage record at 50% is also better than Schumacher's but not as good as Raikkonen's. |
Originally Posted by im_srini
(Post 1661089)
Schumacher won the WDC 7 out of 16 attempts. Raikkonen won it once in 9 attempts. That gives Kimi a success rate of 11.1% which is nowhere near Schumacher's 43.8%. Senna's percentage record at 27.3% is also better than Kimi's but not as good as Schumacher's. P.S. - In fact "WonderBoy" Lewis has a better record at 33.3% & he's not even quit yet ! |
Originally Posted by kcnetid
(Post 1598218)
so please reign in your language when you dispute me :-) |
1. Kimi did have a good team with McLaren but was somehow dogged with a mech and engine problems. He managed to win only after shifting to Ferrari. |
Kimi always beat schumi when he had a good car and there were more than a few times when he was leading and the car broke down. Funnily I remember the same for Ruebens - maybe he was give the 2nd car and the primary to schumi. |
2. Other major factors in Schumi wins: 2.1 Ross Brawn and Todd are very big factors in the wins by Schumi. Look at what happened this year. 2.2 Mika chose to retire. There was no way Schumi could have won half as many if Mika continued. 2.3 Poor Ruebens was under 'team orders'. I am surprised his spirit is not crushed by now. 2.4 After Mika and before Renault/Alonso, other cars were not just in the same class in terms of pace or reliability. All the other champs/former champs did not get good rides. 2.5 There were a lot of times when Schumi got away with infractions where other drivers would have been penalised and hence lost places/points. |
Not taking anything away from Schumi, my guess is that he *actually* won not more than 2-3 championships on equal terms. The rest were because of the reasons mentioned above. Look at what happened when Renault had a good car or with BrawnGP. |
Also despite Kimi's partying image, he has way more class on the track than Schumi, I don't recall one incident of a cheap shot from Kimi while I remember many cases of Schumi's wheel banging or aggressive tactics. I used to like Schumi but sorta lost respect from him after seeing him celebrating wins after Ruebens 'team orders' to fall back and also quite a few incidents of 'aggressive racing'. |
All said and done, in another 5 yrs, nobody will remember individual races or even seasons and all that will remain is the record books and Schumi's 7 wins - however justified that is. |
Originally Posted by Akadian
(Post 1598424)
I think Ayrton Senna is unmatched till date and if he had not died in the midst of his peak, the record books would have been telling a completely different story. Schumi would have found it much harder to win those first two with Benetton |
Originally Posted by ksethuram
(Post 1598892)
+1. Yes, i understand both are good and fast drivers, and with all respect to both, Schumi was cocky, Kimi is not. Schumi built a team around him, Kimi just used what he had. Schumi never took sabatical, but Kimi did. Schumi was a good PR person, Kimi is not... There are many more.. So no way Kimi is near Schumi. |
Originally Posted by Akadian
(Post 1602248)
Schumi's numbers are highly misleading. If Senna had not died, he would never have won the first two and if Mikka had not retired he would have lost another 2 at least. What is left is 3 out of the seemingly unsurpassable 7. I sincerely believe that is his true worth |
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