Modifications for Gypsy King - Does the sequence of modifications matter?

khan_sultan · 12th March 2008, 14:48

Friends,
I have decided on doing some performance mods on my 1.3L-MPFI Gypsy King, which I use primarily for off-roading & some city driving

Does the sequence of mods even matter? which modifications should one start with?

This is what I have in mind as the sequence.

1. Custom Air Filter & Intake
2. Headers & FFE
3. Adding a stand-alone ECU

What do you say friends? Am i on the right track?

Akshay1234 · 12th March 2008, 14:57

good choice of mods. do it in the sequence youve mentioned it in.

GTO · 12th March 2008, 17:18

Since you plan to off-road, dont go in for a Cold air intake. The stock replacement filter will be more practical.

A stand-alone will be pointless on a Gypsy, since it will never be too fast anyways. I suggest you beef up its off-road equipment rather than waste time on performance modifications.

From experience, I can tell you this : Focus on the reliability of your 4x4...not outright performance.

chiragh_bir · 12th March 2008, 17:35

try adding foam type air filter like pipercross than cotton gauge filters like K&N . the sequence you mentioned is fine.

Akshay1234 · 12th March 2008, 17:38

how about an engine swap to a baleno engine?

khan_sultan · 12th March 2008, 19:31

Hey GTO,

Thanks for the inputs. Few Queries

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTO

Since you plan to off-road, dont go in for a Cold air intake. The stock replacement filter will be more practical.

Will a high flow air filter + custom intake not increase the torque and hence have a +ve impact on off-road capabilities?

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTO

A stand-alone will be pointless on a Gypsy, since it will never be too fast anyways. I suggest you beef up its off-road equipment rather than waste time on performance modifications.

Can't a stand-alone ECU be mapped/tuned in a way such that it improves the low end torque and not the out right speed/acceleration etc

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTO

From experience, I can tell you this : Focus on the reliability of your 4x4...not outright performance.

Fully agree. Do you have some other suggestions in mind for reliability? I am getting the sump guard, drive train/diff protection done.

Do you think that Headers + FFE mods are fine for off-road scenario?

khan_sultan · 12th March 2008, 19:40

Hey GTO,

Thanks for the inputs. Few Queries

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTO

Since you plan to off-road, dont go in for a Cold air intake. The stock replacement filter will be more practical.

Will a high flow air filter + custom intake not increase the torque and hence have a +ve impact on off-road capabilities?

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTO

A stand-alone will be pointless on a Gypsy, since it will never be too fast anyways. I suggest you beef up its off-road equipment rather than waste time on performance modifications.

Can't a stand-alone ECU be mapped/tuned in a way such that it improves the low end torque and not the out right speed/acceleration etc

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTO

From experience, I can tell you this : Focus on the reliability of your 4x4...not outright performance.

Fully agree. Do you have some other suggestions in mind for reliability? I am getting the sump guard, drive train/diff protection done.

Do you think that Headers + FFE mods are fine for off-road scenario?

dinar · 12th March 2008, 19:59

you can use a standalone ecu, if one knows how to tune it to get low end torque, or do you want some thing to do both go fast on road and do off rosding.....as for the air filter, go in for something that it won't suck in water or too much dust when off road..... you can try and get some mods on the suspension, so it works on and off raod...

Cyrus43 · 13th March 2008, 00:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by akshay1234

how about an engine swap to a baleno engine?

Baleno is a Front Wheel Drive car and the Gypsy is a Rear wheel drive car. The engine swap is not possible.

aah78 · 13th March 2008, 05:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTA

Baleno is a Front Wheel Drive car and the Gypsy is a Rear wheel drive car. The engine swap is not possible.

Off-topic but some info -> a FWD to RWD conversion is possible.

It's neither a simple, nor a cost-effective process, but it can be done.

eg. Jay Leno's Oldsmobile Toronado which was converted from FWD to RWD.

jyobeb · 13th March 2008, 09:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTA

Baleno is a Front Wheel Drive car and the Gypsy is a Rear wheel drive car. The engine swap is not possible.

It is possible and not with a great deal of difficulty either. The same esteem engine drives the front wheels of the esteem and the rear on the king. Its the gearbox that matters.

JayD · 13th March 2008, 10:04

The order of the mods u've chosen is corrects, but as GTO says, if u ant to go off road, a CAI may not be such a great idea, since u could suck up water or something.

khan_sultan · 17th March 2008, 18:26

What if the CAI is in the form of a snorkel? Is sucking water the ONLY reason for not recommending a CAI or is there something else also? From a sheer performance point of view, wouldn't CAI increase the performance?

badboyscad · 17th March 2008, 19:55

@khan_sultan: an air snorkel for the CAI is a very good idea..it ll also add up to the aesthetic value of the ride..and if you are able to get some sourcing information on the snorkel, then please let me know too(because im also looking for one).

khan_sultan · 17th March 2008, 19:59

the snorkel will have to be custom fabricated. I doubt if one can get it off the shelf.

The air intake of some LCV's e.g. eicher can be used as parts to fabricate a snorkel.

12th March 2008, 14:48	#1
khan_sultan Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Noida/Bangalore Posts: 4,946 Thanked: 6,469 Times View My Garage	Modifications for Gypsy King - Does the sequence of modifications matter? Friends, I have decided on doing some performance mods on my 1.3L-MPFI Gypsy King, which I use primarily for off-roading & some city driving Does the sequence of mods even matter? which modifications should one start with? This is what I have in mind as the sequence. 1. Custom Air Filter & Intake 2. Headers & FFE 3. Adding a stand-alone ECU What do you say friends? Am i on the right track?
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12th March 2008, 14:57	#2
Akshay1234 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 10,327 Thanked: 12,914 Times	good choice of mods. do it in the sequence youve mentioned it in.
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12th March 2008, 17:18	#3
GTO Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 71,938 Thanked: 322,254 Times View My Garage	Since you plan to off-road, dont go in for a Cold air intake. The stock replacement filter will be more practical. A stand-alone will be pointless on a Gypsy, since it will never be too fast anyways. I suggest you beef up its off-road equipment rather than waste time on performance modifications. From experience, I can tell you this : Focus on the reliability of your 4x4...not outright performance.
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12th March 2008, 17:35	#4
chiragh_bir Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In front of you :P Posts: 1,123 Thanked: 74 Times View My Garage	try adding foam type air filter like pipercross than cotton gauge filters like K&N . the sequence you mentioned is fine.
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12th March 2008, 17:38	#5
Akshay1234 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 10,327 Thanked: 12,914 Times	how about an engine swap to a baleno engine?
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12th March 2008, 19:59	#8
dinar Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: goa Posts: 1,066 Thanked: 57 Times	you can use a standalone ecu, if one knows how to tune it to get low end torque, or do you want some thing to do both go fast on road and do off rosding.....as for the air filter, go in for something that it won't suck in water or too much dust when off road..... you can try and get some mods on the suspension, so it works on and off raod...
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13th March 2008, 10:04	#12
JayD Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Cochin! At last Posts: 3,235 Thanked: 2,616 Times View My Garage	The order of the mods u've chosen is corrects, but as GTO says, if u ant to go off road, a CAI may not be such a great idea, since u could suck up water or something.
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17th March 2008, 18:26	#13
khan_sultan Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Noida/Bangalore Posts: 4,946 Thanked: 6,469 Times View My Garage	What if the CAI is in the form of a snorkel? Is sucking water the ONLY reason for not recommending a CAI or is there something else also? From a sheer performance point of view, wouldn't CAI increase the performance?
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17th March 2008, 19:55	#14
badboyscad Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TN Posts: 1,511 Thanked: 483 Times View My Garage	@khan_sultan: an air snorkel for the CAI is a very good idea..it ll also add up to the aesthetic value of the ride..and if you are able to get some sourcing information on the snorkel, then please let me know too(because im also looking for one).
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17th March 2008, 19:59	#15
khan_sultan Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Noida/Bangalore Posts: 4,946 Thanked: 6,469 Times View My Garage	the snorkel will have to be custom fabricated. I doubt if one can get it off the shelf. The air intake of some LCV's e.g. eicher can be used as parts to fabricate a snorkel.
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