Thanks for taking your time to reply, everyone! I've had a chance to visit the dealer and test drive almost everything I wanted except for the Electra, Classic 500 and the Continental.
The test drive was a great experience, the staff were well informed and willing to let me draw my own conclusions than try and railroad me. They were attentive, even on a crowded day.
Marikar Motors at Trivandrum have been selling Ambys and Bullets since before I was born and today, there was a yellow Continental GT parked right at the main lobby area. I was drawn to it like a moth to a flame and I really wanted to take it out for a spin, but the salesperson, Rahul informed me that the demo Continental was being serviced.
They did not have an Electra for demo. In fact, they did not have it in stock at all and would have to be ordered. The staff were asked by RE to make sure that all customers test drove at least three models, and I chose the Std 350, Std 500 and the Classic 350 & 500.
Here's the price list I got.
While I was waiting for the TD bike to be ready, I clicked some pics of the various beauties on display. Enjoy!!
Classic 500 - New Shade -Tan with Cherry stripes
Classic 500 - New Shade -Silver with Black stripes
Another Continental GT on display. There were three, two red and one yellow. Incidentally, there is no waiting period for them.
Test Riding the Bulls The Classic 350: Drove this one first. While it was noticeably more powerful than my Pulsar, it did not have the oomph of the CI Electra, and I felt there was a bit of a lag between my twisting the throttle and the power coming on. The bike was a new one, barely a month old from the registration, and had the new decals. Vibes were much improved, the engine revved smoothly with a muted thump from the silencer. Handling was stable, and I had no difficulty leaning into corners speed, braking was good and it felt great overall.
The Standard 350: The sales guy mentioned that this was his favourite, because of the heavy crank and the original looks. He was the one who insisted that I give this one a chance although I had initially dismissed it due to the lack of disc and ES. To me, the old Std looks weren't that appealing at all, and the Machismo and the Electra were more my style. I prefer the round rear fender and the extra chrome.
You sit taller on this bike. The kick start is much improved over the CI models, with the auto de-comp and not having to watch the amp meter. As I pulled out, I felt the engine was slower to rev, but I could feel the thump much more on this. The gears were harder to slot. The bike pulled cleanly at lower revs, and the heavier crank was making this feel a bit more like the CI engine. The nasty surprise though, was the handling. It was absolutely horrible. The bike was reluctant to lean, was highly twitchy on every corner, and the front drum brake was every bit as horrible as I imagined it would be. Mind you, I was not exactly scorching the tarmac on this ride, I'm talking about taking a corner at about 45-50 kph and a sharp turn at about 20 kph.
The tyres on this bike are 3.25-19. I did not notice the brand, it could have been CEAT. Anyway, there was a block pattern on the rear and a rib on the front. I feel this is entirely irresponsible of RE, to provide such undersized tyres in outdated patterns on a bike costing 1 lac. At least a Nylogrip and proper treads on the front tyre should be offered as standard. I'm told that the Electra too comes with similar rubber, but my friend has changed the rear to a Nylogrip 3.50 on his.
The Standard 500: Now I get to the best part of the experience, the Standard 500. This was the oldest of the three, and there was even a bit of rust on the silencer, and the Forest Green shade looked like it was due for a good wash and polish. But then, it all went away as soon as I had inserted the key and started the bike...
Someone on the forum posted that you should NOT test ride the 500 if you are considering the 350, and they were 100% right. From the moment I started off on this bike, till the moment I took it back into the lot, I had a grin stretching my face. The engine sounded much better, the gearshifts were more positive, the low end response was awesome, and the handling was beautiful. At a traffic light, I could feel the engine slowly thumping away under the seat, and it felt somehow more grown-up than the 350. I did try giving her a bit of throttle on an empty straight, and was surprised to see 85 kph come up on the speedo in what felt like no time at all. I haven't had enough experience with bullets to judge between the UCE and CI engines, but the 500 UCE felt like the best of two worlds to me: It felt like what I wanted a bullet to feel like, and it is a new engine with better reliability. I feel this is it!!!
As for the Classic 500, it started to drizzle just as I was parking the S500, and I was already sold on it and didn't think I needed to drive the C5!
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Originally Posted by john doe Beautifully explained. I agree , the new breed of Software/BPO Enfield buyers are better off on the UCE. Easier to start, easier to ride, cheaper to service.
On the other hand , when things go wrong , the UCE is very, very expensive to fix. |
I'm not exactly the typical software/BPO new bullet buyer, I am a boring guy, who works at an old State Bank.
I've always loved bikes and for long, I despised the Enfields for their leaky, hungry, unreliable nature, and age old obsolete tech. It's just that I feel I've reached a point in my life where I would like to slow down my pace and enjoy the trip. And the bullet seems like the kind of bike that would be a perfect companion. Plus, now that they seem to be doing some actual R&D and improving their bikes.
I agree that the UCE might turn out to be expensive to fix, but then, I am counting on the warranty. (fingers crossed). With an older bike, ironing out every small niggle will require me reaching into my own pocket, and going by some threads on this forum itself, even the old engine's parts arent that cheap. My friends' bikes seem to need regular TLC from the mechanic to keep them running trouble free. This is one of the reasons I'm also keeping a lookout for any late model CI 350s or 500s. Only Electras or Machismos, as I really need the ES and the Disc.
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Originally Posted by B O V Well.Let me make it simple for you,I own an 83 CI and have ridden both the UCE 350's and 500's extensively(EFI).
I strongly suggest that you go for the UCE.Its much better as compared to the old CI's.I would never tell anyone to go for a used CI,especially as their first bike,Unless they are grease monkeys.
Since you mentioned a highway trip. The 350 can average 80-90 km/h.
The 500 EFI can average around 110-120 Km/h.
An old CI 4 speed(like mine)would be most comfortable(least stressed) puttering around at 60-70 km/h.
About the feel of the CI,well I think the ones who've owned them for a while can truly tell and feel the difference between the UCE and CI.Hence thats why a lot of bulleteers say that the UCE lacks "feel".
Since you are new to Enfields its best to go for the UCE.Between the various models or the 350 or the 500,once you TD em you'll have a pretty good idea.Just my 2 cents. |
Thank You. As I mentioned above, I think I will go for the Std 500. My comfort zone on a bike is between 80 and 90 on the highway, sometimes 75 if I'm not in a rush to get anywhere. I think the 500 should be ideal, because it would have the reserve power to overtake without having to shift down.
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Originally Posted by ArizonaJim As you say fuel costs are not a huge concern, you will be doing yourself a disservice if you don't take a ride on a fuel injected RE 500 UCE.
The difference in torque and acceleration when compared with any of the RE 350's is impressive, to say the least.
The fuel injection, made by one of the worlds premier Japanese companies in automotive and motorcycle fuel injection is totally dependable.
The electric starter (also Japanese made) and the sprag clutch on models newer than 2010 also can be trusted to give you dependable starting, as long as the battery is maintained.
Although the pre-UCE Royal Enfields have their followers, the 500cc UCE powered models do not overheat or seize pistons. The hydraulic valve lifters totally eliminate the need to constantly readjust the valve clearance. Fiddling around with a compression release is no longer needed. The front disk brake is dependable and powerful and, perhaps most important to many, the same basic frame and good handling is still there.
Does anyone need a 500 cc Royal Enfield?
Perhaps not if it is going to be ridden only in the cities but as soon as the bike is taken out on the highways its ability to cruise along at 100+ kmph for hours without effort is a blessing.
Passing power is instantly available if and when needed as is the ability to climb steep grades if any are encountered.
All this plus the engines willingness to putt along at low speeds gives the owner all of the good things the old Royal Enfields had without the hassle of the past.
The only negative thing that comes to mind is the cost.
Because of all of the things I mentioned above plus more, a used UCE 500 will be expensive.
On the other hand, they will hold their value as more and more people recognize the vast improvements these motorcycles have incorporated into their design.
At least, that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. |
Thanks for all the great advice. All of it has been immensely useful in helping me make my decision to go for the Std 500. I am reluctant still to go for the EFI 500, because of RE's decision to offer a cut down version of the export version EFI here. They have compromised, and that makes me wary. But I will heed your advice and take a test drive of the Classic before I make the booking.
As for resale value, the only models that seem to be holding on to their value down here in the South are the Classics, which actually command a premium owing to the waiting period, and the Standard 350, which seems to be immensely popular, though I cant figure out why. Must be a Bullet thing. The 500s are hard to dispose of here in the South, as is the case with any bike that gives less than 35-40 kpl. I have seen 2014 model Electras on sale for about 1 lac, which is 20% off the price of a new one. 500s are also rare here, and not popular. Though that's starting to change.