Something really unusual, weird and potentially hazardous happened to me (and my brother) while we were trundling around at 30kph or so on my bike. The rear tire came off the RIM!! :Shockked:


This not only caught us both by surprise but is also a testimony to my foolery, as my brother puts it. The reason is that I recently swapped the rear tire of my bike with a Michelin. And the best part is it’s a Tube-type (TT) tire that is/was spinning on a Tubeless (TL) rim. This recipe for disaster was planned at a nearby tyre shop.


Roughly a month ago, when the monsoons were approaching and the treads on the rear tire were disappearing, I decided to go for a new one. Asked Dad for the same and some cash was handed over immediately. The following 2 or 3 days I kept searching for the best tire available in the market. There were not many brands to choose from. Michelin, MRF, Ceat and TVS tires were the only brands, which I could find over at most of the dealerships in Dehradun. As I am a sucker for cornering I picked Michelin tire basis this criterion. Meantime, I also had to take care of tire profile and stock size. The Michelin Pilot Sporty was the closest thing that matched all of my wishes. I scavenged through various forums wherein the reviews of the tire were shared. The feedback from many of the users was mostly positive and satisfactory. This triggered my interest in the tire a bit more. The next day I went to a trusted dealer and asked for the tire. I checked my options one more time, but finally settled for the Michelin; asked him to fit it immediately. It ended there.


However, one thing I had completely forgotten that time, and I am really cursing myself for it now, is to have failed to check whether the tire was tubeless or tube type. I know I am the only one to be blamed here for making a complete fool out of myself. But at the same time, I wouldn’t spare the dealer for his role in this act. I remember when the tire was brought forth from the store (before it was being fitted) it had a tube inside. This made me apprehensive and I questioned the dealer whether it is tubeless tire or not. Till that time, I thought Pilot Sporty to be a tubeless tire. The dealer promptly replied assuring me that it was indeed a tubeless tire, but could also be used with a tube. Being an illiterate ignoramus that I was back then, I didn’t bother much with checking the markings on the rubber. I can however clearly remember asking the dealer about the tube inside 2 or 3 times more. And his answer was- Don’t worry, bhaiya. It’s our daily business. We have sold many of these tires to the people riding the same bike and for other bikes as well, which run on tubeless rims. Like for example, I heard R15 coming off his mouth twice or thrice! I took his word for it and went ahead.


From then onwards, I have taken my bike to every possible terrain one can think of. Off-roading, slush, wet tarmac, loose gravel; corner carving-the tire has been put to rigorous tests since the first day. I was really amazed and impressed by the performance of the Michelin. You can check on RTR ownership threads on how I was singing praises about the tire the other day. Come today though, like I was telling before, it all came to an end abruptly. The rear tire came off the rim all of a sudden.


I was riding at 30kph or so and suddenly the bike started to lean towards the left. I could immediately sense the air-loss as did my brother sitting as pillion, who had already started yelling from behind. I managed to pull over safely and on inspecting the tire it was found completely flat. This was again an eye-opener as from what I know and have experienced TL tires don’t go flat immediately. Luckily, we were able to locate a puncture-waala a few hundred meters ahead and I asked him to check for any puncture. Observations that followed were again baffling. As he was trying to fill in the air, the same time there was a lot of leakage from the sidewall. He showed me the wheel from where the tire was completely off it. He was also scratching his head like I was. May be he didn’t know that the tire was not TL but a TT. We couldn’t find out any solution and as it was already getting late at around 9:30 pm, I had no other choice but to drag my ride back home!


Once back without batting an eyelid I jumped on to over the internet and eventually, on Google. And from what I have gathered till now, many people are happily running tube-type tire on tubeless rims without even having a clue of the danger involved in this practice. It’s more on the empirical side and no one has a valid proof on its safety in long-term. Also, I am yet to come across any tire manufacturer that supports this method. People might have covered over 20k miles doing the same, but trust me; it feels perfectly fine till the time you start to swerve towards one side of the road without steering. I wouldn’t suggest practicing that to anyone after what I have gone-through today!


Now, the upshot from whole of this incident- I usually ride 30km a day because I like riding my bike over here. I must also add on the fact that 90% of this distance is mostly covered on hilly and twisty stuff. Once in a week I also raid a nearby hill-station, which is about 60 km from here; once in a while 120 kilometres a day. So, let’s assume I am naive (which I am actually!) and I haven’t got a clue what on earth does TT and TL acronym stand for on a tire sidewall. I just know I want a tubeless tire for my bike. The fake expert sitting at these local dealerships suggests me to go for a certain tire and I take the plunge as per his advice. That means my safety, my bones and my life, nothing matters to a grabby dealer who just wants to make profit of a few hundred bucks in a day. Everything goes for a toss. What would have happened if I were riding at over 100kmph? Or, the time when I could have been thrown down the gorge while coming down from the aforesaid hill-station. I really have to thank my lucky stars today. I wouldn’t have been talking to you right now otherwise. Or, have at least doubled the number of bones in my body had I been riding on those hills today. This is so scary, you know!


Another thing is what do I do with that tire now? I am yet to visit the dealer and yell at him though. Very unlikely that he’s going to do something about it now. I am sure he’s going to suggest fitting a tube and will wash his hands of the whole thing. It could work, but I am not sure how I am going to get back my confidence on that tire again. Have gone through different forum posts on the same where some suggest inserting a tube is not a big deal while some ask to avoid it. I am not ready to play my odds at it over again. Should I just bin that rubber?

Originally Posted by Shivank (Post 2840730) And his answer was- Don’t worry, bhaiya. It’s our daily business. We have sold many of these tires to the people riding the same bike and for other bikes as well, which run on tubeless rims. Like for example, I heard R15 coming off his mouth twice or thrice!

Originally Posted by bullboy (Post 2840854) My pulsar is running on TL tires with tube in it , as this is because the rims dont support TL tires .Before making this decision I searched many forums and enqired many people and they said that its fine to do so. I have been running this setup for more than 6-7k kms and didn't had much issues. Btw, the tires are MRF zapper used in r15.

Originally Posted by DHABHAR.BEHRAM (Post 2840832) ... I have the original 1984 model Ind-Suzuki AX100 for which the OE size tubed tire is 2.75*18. Every single shop that I went to suggested me to go in for 3.00*18 tire. They do not realize that the wheel rim specification for 2.75*18 tire is 1.4 whereas the 3.00*18 tire needs a 1.6 wheel rim. Who cares? ...

Originally Posted by alpha1 (Post 2840969) What are the 1.4 and 1.6 wheel rim numbers? I mean what do they stand for?

Originally Posted by praful (Post 2841052) ^^ Adding to Akshay's above post! I have been using Sirac's (on my 3rd one one) for about 50K kms now. They are TT tyres, but run without a hitch on my TL rims. And the tyres have seen the worst possible terrain! I don't think your issue is with running a TT tyre on a TL rim, but instead a improper fitment issue/improper rim-width matching issue. The beading might have slipped inwards or your rim as a bend somewhere. I don't remember the source for this, but I remember reading this somewhere, thought Michelin is branding most of its two wheeler tyres as TT, they can be used as TL as all the models have good sidewall strength. This has been reinforced by my regular use of the Michelin Sirac over the last 3 years now.

Originally Posted by sagarpadaki (Post 2840831) Yes, many people don't even know to read the sidewall of a tire and see if its TT ot TL. Which size are you using and which bike? I suggest you use the tuff-up tube sold at Honda dealerships and use your tire . It wont harm in any way.

Originally Posted by DHABHAR.BEHRAM (Post 2840832) Dear Shivank All the fancy conversations that people have with other people in fancy tire shops with chrome wheels hanging all over the place must mean nothing to you from today onwards. Please use only what is technically correct and please do not get swayed by fancy names. Indian tires are good. Use them. Promise me this, your life will be better, in the long run you will save money also.

Originally Posted by praful (Post 2841052) ^^ Adding to Akshay's above post! I don't think your issue is with running a TT tyre on a TL rim, but instead a improper fitment issue/improper rim-width matching issue. The beading might have slipped inwards or your rim as a bend somewhere. I don't remember the source for this, but I remember reading this somewhere, thought Michelin is branding most of its two wheeler tyres as TT, they can be used as TL as all the models have good sidewall strength. This has been reinforced by my regular use of the Michelin Sirac over the last 3 years now.

Originally Posted by RX135 (Post 2841082) I am not sure if the issue is about if that is TL or TT, but about whether it is the right size. I fear, even a TL tyre with wrong size specifications may end up giving the same results.

Originally Posted by knaveen (Post 2841088) Did they use machines for fitment of the tyre?...

Originally Posted by amit_purohit20 (Post 2841117) Next time have your wheel balanced and checked for out of roundness like how we do it for spoke rims to check whether your rims are fine.