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Old 4th July 2020, 22:07   #16
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Anyhow to put as simply as possible, at 5000 RPM in final gear the GS150R and Gixxer does more or less the same speed i.e around 70 kmph.
Took an older gixxer out for a ride and... I can't believe I didn't notice this earlier. I guess I better eat my words, and go renew my suzuki fanboy licence. But suzuki won't get my money again just yet after having been spoilt silly by the gs150r all these years.
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I was waiting for Xtreme 160R launch as a potential bike to buy for daily commute and weekend tours but now I am looking more towards Xtreme 200S launch for the same, If the difference is no more than 10k I will happily pick 200S over 160R
Did you factor in the weight difference? The Xpulse/200s is around 10-15 kgs heavier than 160r. So the real world performance isn't going to be different in all these 3 bikes. Also none of them actually are meant for tours and for what they are all of them can tour at similar speeds. All 3 are meant for different purposes.
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Did you factor in the weight difference? The Xpulse/200s is around 10-15 kgs heavier than 160r. So the real world performance isn't going to be different in all these 3 bikes. Also none of them actually are meant for tours and for what they are all of them can tour at similar speeds. All 3 are meant for different purposes.
Actually I have and therein lies a very interesting observation. Let me explain my analysis based on some mathematics, physics and general observation.

Hero Xtreme 160R launched at Rs. 99,950-hero_comparison.png

For the purpose of this comparison I have copied Xpulse 200 BS6 engine figures to Xpulse 200T and Xtreme 200S and as Xpulse 200 got 3 kg heavier so I have applied same 3 kg weight increase to 200S and 200T. (Note :- Since Hero is not displaying BS4 figures anymore officially so source of base wight was other portals)

As you can see above actually when it comes to power ratios it's actually like this

200S > 200T > 200 > 160R

The difference is not very much when it comes to straight line driving but on an incline 160R body is more than a half kg per PS heavier than 200S.

So based on pure mathematical observation it is actually 200S which is most powerful bike in Hero lineup.

Now let's apply some physics to it,

200S and 160R are admittedly little front heavy bikes where as 200 and 200T weight distribution is more balanced, again on a flat road difference will be minimal but on an incline the front heavy bias will put 160R and 200S at a slight disadvantage, herein 200T becomes the leader in pulling power on incline due to it's figures close matching 200S and wight being balanced engine can pull it little bit easier as compared to 200S.

Adding a pillion into the mix again complicated the thing, because now 160R and 200S front bias compensated a little bit for pillion weight, where as 200 and 200T become more rear biased (performance on 200 noticeable drops with a pillion as confirmed by users as well) herein again 200S can theoretically inch ahead on an incline.

On this note let's add some more bikes in this range into the mix sorted on power ratio.

Hero Xtreme 160R launched at Rs. 99,950-more_comparo.png

As can be seen statistically Hero lineup actually is ahead of others in it's price range even beating the Duke 125 which is a so called performance bike, only real competition is Pulsar 220F which is still one price bracket above Hero.

Now the question is if Hero bikes are statistically superior then why they are not felt as such, well I can attribute that to below reasons -

1. Tuning - To be frank other than Karizma Hero never really went for a bike with thrills, Hero bikes are always tuned to perform well up to 70-80 kmph range (I have beaten Discovers and Pulsars with my Splendor), Hero has never been bothered about 100 kmph mark and let's face it that is not even a legal speed for bikes in majority of India. Hero concentrated on good low and mid range performance in fact from my experience I can see only Royal Enfield giving a more powerful lower end performance. Hero never was bothered about top range even Xtreme 160R it is marketing as quick off the blocks and not as a highway speed racer.

2. Ease - Again other than Karizma none of Hero bikes can be called as difficult to tame, in fact this very attribute made hero bikes preferred choice for yeoman whereas however what it did is the image of Hero never came out to be of a wild machine, where as Pulsars, KTMs, R15s they are all intimidating to learn in one aspect or another and as such give the feel that you are taming a monster.

3. Marketing - Again Hero never really bothered about marketing performance of it's bikes other than Karizma and upto a certain extent CBZ, only now Hero has started targeting back the audience with highlighting it's performance driven lineup(although bikes are still tuned to be easy instead of wild).

These are all my points based on personal research and preference so feel free to point out any corrections required.

And lastly on a lighter note couldn't help but put the Karizma model into this comparison to highlight why it smoke the competition back then and as you can see it still sweeps the floor in it's price range and only Pulsar 220 ever really competed with it and what a legend that rivalry was (R15 stole the thunder from both but it was always a bracket or two above)

Hero Xtreme 160R launched at Rs. 99,950-karizma.png
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It is rather surprising that the launch of what Hero projects as their new-gen stylish, performance bikes is so muted. I would have expected some test drives, and reviews out by this time, but more than a week since launch, all I see are 4 month old videos on Youtube. At the very least the company itself could have put some short 2 mins videos of various differentiators of Xtreme160R.

I'm not a marketting expert, but seems a little lazy from Hero. I expected them to market this bike aggressively for it is a shot at a segment they lost 15 years back to Pulsar..
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