[aargee]

Originally Posted by nairrk

I have made a comparison chart considering all new features available on each brand as under

Ha!! Never knew you had a thread running on this, I would've shared my contribution from my end as well few weeks ago.

Nevertheless, I think you're all settled by now & Jupiter 125 ticks all the boxes or are you still undecided Sir?

[nairrk]

Originally Posted by aargee

Ha!! Never knew you had a thread running on this, I would've shared my contribution from my end as well few weeks ago.

No problem sir, I have received many recommendations from other members and I am happy for that.

I think you're all settled by now & Jupiter 125 ticks all the boxes or are you still undecided Sir?

I almost decided to go for the Jupiter 125 and at that time discussion on the Kick starter problem opened up as such I still waiting. Have seen newspaper ads showing discounts and offers on TVS scooters, but when I called them to check the offers, they simply told me no any offers on this 125 model.

Another point is that I want to go for a petrol variant, whereas my family still suggests to go for an electric scooter, but I am not able to locate a good one so far (Saturday, I visited Ampere showroom to see their new variant Magnus EX which is just the same old Magnus Pro, except the battery power is now better (60V 38AH instead of 60V 32AH).

The showroom is 33 kms away from my home so periodical servicing will be a problem (though they promise, if needed, they will send their mechanic to my home), but I don't believe what the sales teams promise.

Looks like I will settle for the Jupiter 125, unless something else interesting comes up

[aargee]

Originally Posted by nairrk

when I called them to check the offers, they simply told me no any offers on this 125 model

True Sir; even in Chennai (or anywhere in India) there will be no offer for J125 atleast till Mar or new model kicks in.

Originally Posted by nairrk

family still suggests to go for an electric scooter

Please ask them why & show a cost comparison of owning a petrol scooter vs a proper electric scooter like Ola or Ather

Originally Posted by nairrk

Looks like I will settle for the Jupiter 125, unless something else interesting comes up

Access 125 having the silent start will be an ultimate turning point at this moment. But only if our wishes were horses!!

J125 isn't that bad, but we can expect niggling issues since it's not a Jap design. Like I shared earlier, the seat wasn't closing properly; we checked out like 4 of them & this issue was there on all 4 of them. The showroom guys conveniently dropped the seat with a full bang & the seat closed. I for one, cannot abuse any of my vehicles! If we wait for Access 125 to get the silent start update, Activa might come with some other feature & we will now expect the same with Access or Jupiter or Maestro. It's like trying to chop the tallest tree in the forest & end up with nothing!! Somewhere we've to weigh where our wants are met 80% met & let go off that 20%.

Any Honda 125 - just avoid please; the sheer weight of the vehicle is very inferior in the entire segment; may be Activa has full metal body, but, what's the purpose? Plastics are cheaper to replace than tinkering the metal.

[nairrk]

Originally Posted by aargee

Please ask them why & show a cost comparison of owning a petrol scooter vs a proper electric scooter like Ola or Ather

I have already explained them that the electric vehicle is beneficial only for those who drive 50/60 kms daily, if not more. If for low use, like me for just shopping purposes its not worth buying as then we cannot achieve any benefit of saving the petrol cost. They are just suggesting but not adamant. I don't want any electric vehicle which does not have a showroom/service facility near my place which means the only TVS iQube is worth buying when launched in my place. But it is very expensive comparing a petrol vehicle.

If we wait for Access 125 to get the silent start update, Activa might come with some other feature & we will now expect the same with Access or Jupiter or Maestro.

I liked the Access 125 but not liking the external fuel filler cap, which comes along with the key when opening. We have to be careful when opening the lid every time and make sure it is not just slipping down from our hand.

Honda/Maestro not considering as their service centre is not conveniently placed.

I feel, at the end it is going to be the Jupiter 125.!

[aargee]

Originally Posted by nairrk

I don't want any electric vehicle which does not have a showroom/service facility near my place which means the only TVS iQube is worth buying when launched in my place. But it is very expensive comparing a petrol vehicle

Absolutely WISE decision!! From my calculations, except Ola S1 (not even the pro) has a breakeven period of 9-10 months on a monthly usage of 800 Km.

Originally Posted by nairrk

I liked the Access 125...is not just slipping down from our hand

Sir, please avoid Access 125 at all cost!! One of my very trustable friend has this vehicle for last 2 years along with Aprilia SR 150; he says the parts get worn our faster + rust issues. When we visited Suzuki showroom, I knew the head of service there; he accidentally told me the old battery issues are non existent now a days. We took it very lightly until now; just search for "suzuki access 125 bs6 problems" in YouTube & most of them are battery related ones; some of the videos are as new as this month. Which means the battery issues are yet to be sorted out by Suzuki

Originally Posted by nairrk

Honda/Maestro not considering as their service centre is not conveniently placed

Not just that Sir, they're having the same issue as Activa 125 - lowest in segment for power-to-weight ratio

Originally Posted by nairrk

I feel, at the end it is going to be the Jupiter 125.!

But again, this is no trouble free vehicle either; when I researched on why we were unable to close the seat of Jupiter 125 properly, it seems this issue prevails even in the 110 cc. Finally we get to live with niggling issues with Jupiter 125 & ofcourse hit or miss on floorboard fuel tank or gamble for a non lemon vehicle with Access 125 or compromise with power on Activa 125 or storage space with Ray ZR 125. What I mean by storage space is, we tested if a standard cabin baggage can be put vertically on the floor board of the scooters. Only Access & Jupiter (may be Activa/Maestro as well, but not tested) could accommodate, Ray ZR could accommodate horizontally with difficulty. This was our indirect way of testing whether the floorboard can accommodate water can.

I'm not saying Jupiter is problematic vehicle, but saying Indian vehicles provide extreme value for money on the outset of minor niggling issues.

PS - Sir, did you give a thought on Yamaha Fascino 125 please? We rejected the scooter for its looks. But again storage space is almost same as Ray ZR.

[shancz]

I second aargee's opinion on the Jupiter 125's first iteration blues assuming you have only one dealer/SC around like Suzuki.

From what I gather that the larger storage and the relatively punchier motor isn't a need for you so you can get the already proven Jupiter 110. It has the external filler cap

Have faced the seat locking issue on both the Activa and the Access 125 but on the Activa it was a lace from the seat cover fouling with the locking mechanism when closed and on the Access it was something loose/misaligned in the locking system which took 30 seconds to fix but 4 months to diagnose and only when I switched over to another SC.

With your lower running the only concern would be due to discharged battery which can be sorted with a portable charger.

Get whichever you like just make sure it has telescopic shocks and comfortable in your riding environment and loads.

[nairrk]

Originally Posted by aargee

Sir, please avoid Access 125 at all cost!! One... Suzuki

My Brother in law has a 2017 model Access 125. From the beginning he had many problems (I don't remember what all was) and at one stage he just dropped the scooter at the service centre and asked for a new scooter but it was too late/ not possible. But the scooter was very smooth and I liked to drive. I thought they might have improved, but seems not.

But again, this is no trouble free vehicle either..ccommodate water can.

Frankly, we may not get a vehicle with 100% satisfaction and somewhere we have to compromise. Similar problem (seat not closing) was there in my Maestro Edge and I lived with that (when I made a complaint during first service, they told me that not to shut the lid forcefully instead just close it and then push the middle portion to get it locked).

PS - Sir, did you give a thought on Yamaha Fascino 125 please? We rejected the scooter for its looks. But again storage space is almost same as Ray ZR.

Yes. In fact, my sister in law owns a Fascino 110 and its running is very smooth, but I didn't like the looks especially the rear portion (like the rear of a Duck)

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I just spoke to my area TVS dealer and discussed about the Kick starter. He comments that kick starter is not required in modern vehicles and all future scooters will be introduced without a kick starter.

Asked him the possibility of fitting a kick starter as an accessory which he is not sure now. First lot of Jupiter 125 arriving in the showroom tomorrow or day after tomorrow. He will have a look at the scooter and promised me to call back with his views about fitting a kick starter as accessory.

OTR price for Disc variant Rs.1.04 and Drum-alloy variant Rs.98k

[aargee]

Originally Posted by nairrk

Frankly, we may not get a vehicle with 100% satisfaction and somewhere we have to compromise

Originally Posted by nairrk

I didn't like the looks especially the rear portion (like the rear of a Duck)

I think we share similar thoughts on this

Originally Posted by nairrk

He comments that kick starter is not required in modern vehicles and all future scooters will be introduced without a kick starter

I concur this is what will happen eventually

Originally Posted by nairrk

OTR price for Disc variant Rs.1.04 and Drum-alloy variant Rs.98k

Here's it's 100102 + the handling charges My suggestion will be is to opt for disc due to superiority than drum + requires less maintenance than drum

Edit - Sir, just had this thought - If you're not into riding over 60 Kmph, or in plain terms - a very sedate & cautious rider, then you can consider Activa 125 as well; its a bullet proof, highly reliable & has all the features (silent start, trouble free, large floor board, LED, disc, semi digital dashboard) barring to refuel at rear external. I didn't opt for Activa because, we already have a 110 CC + the power to weight ratio is very less in the 125 cc scooter segment; this does not mean Activa 125 will not do 60, it can certainly deliver 75 Kmph for sure yielding 50+ Kmpl like rivalries, only thing is it misses the peppiness due to it's weight.

[shancz]

Originally Posted by nairrk

1. But the scooter was very smooth and I liked to drive. I thought they might have improved, but seems not.

2. just close it and then push the middle portion to get it locked

3. I just spoke to my area TVS dealer and discussed about the Kick starter.

1. I have the same and if you aren't comfortable with the ownership then skip.

2. This is how it's supposed to be done and mine closes, Activa is even smoother.

3. IMO the kickstarter is a life saver especially in low running scooters. I am least concerned about my scooter because I know that the kick is there. Else would've been a nightmare.
I think they started removing the kicks with the introduction of FI in motorcycles. I used to think that the kick can't be used anymore with FI due to the need to prime the fuel pump but I remember an RTR 160 with an FI and kickstarter.
So keep it in your essentials list if feasible.

[nairrk]

Originally Posted by shancz

From what I gather that the larger storage and the relatively punchier motor isn't a need for you so you can get the already proven Jupiter 110. It has the external filler cap

The main attraction in the new Jupiter 125 is the large underseat storage which I definitely prefer. I always go for latest models either it is a 4 wheeler or two wheeler. Since 125 is already launched I like to go for this instead of the old 110cc scooter.

Originally Posted by aargee

My suggestion will be is to opt for disc due to superiority than drum + requires less maintenance than drum

Yes, will keep it in mind.

Edit - Sir, just had this thought - If you're not into riding over 60 Kmph, or in plain terms - a very sedate & cautious rider, then you can consider Activa 125 as well

As explained in the previous post, I don't prefer Honda or Hero because the service centres of these brands are located on the national Highway (both are sitting face to face) and very difficult to find a transport after dropping the scooter for service. I don't want to walk along around 1/1.5km on a national highway to get an auto rickshaw.

Originally Posted by shancz

IMO the kickstarter is a life saver ... nightmare.
I think they started removing the kicks with the introduction of FI in motorcycles.

Yes agree. I too prefer to have a kick starter option even though it may not require in a FI scooter.

[shancz]

Originally Posted by nairrk

The main attraction in the new Jupiter 125 is the large underseat storage which I definitely prefer. I always go for latest models either it is a 4 wheeler or two wheeler. Since 125 is already launched I like to go for this instead of the old 110cc scooter.

Then you're pretty clear and J125 is the only option.
Also sorts out your issue with the fuel filler.
Just have them install the kickstarter and book it

[Cyborg]

Originally Posted by nairrk

I feel, at the end it is going to be the Jupiter 125.!

Nairrk, I feel you are overanalysing for a scooter with your use case. You need something which is more or less a fill it, shut it, forget it scenario. An electric scooter will be an unnecessary pain and I would steer clear of the Jupiter 125 since it’s a new launch, never know what initial gremlins come with it. Why take a chance of spending unnecessary time at a workshop just in case.

Just buy an Activa 6G 110 or 125, really doesn’t make any difference while buying milk, vegetables, eggs etc It’s time tested, won’t make any difference if you keep it parked and don’t use it for sometime also. I have the 125 (November, 2020), it’s comfortable and has reasonable power. I have not touched it for upto ten days, but it starts with a single touch even then. Only negative is, it’s terribly boring, but that’s fine for the use case.

Cheers

[aargee]

Originally Posted by Cyborg

Just buy an Activa 6G 110 or 125, really doesn’t make any difference while buying milk, vegetables, eggs etc It’s time tested, won’t make any difference if you keep it parked and don’t use it for sometime also. I have the 125 (November, 2020), it’s comfortable and has reasonable power. I have not touched it for upto ten days, but it starts with a single touch even then. Only negative is, it’s terribly boring, but that’s fine for the use case

You've got to read this as why Hero/Honda is not preferred...

Originally Posted by nairrk

As explained in the previous post, I don't prefer Honda or Hero because the service centres of these brands are located on the national Highway (both are sitting face to face) and very difficult to find a transport after dropping the scooter for service. I don't want to walk along around 1/1.5km on a national highway to get an auto rickshaw

[aargee]

Hello Nair Saab, adding more confusion for you ...
Went out in the evening to meet some friends & as usual the scooter topic was duly being discussed & here're some of their views & experiences...

• Access 125, straight rejection because of inferior quality of parts mostly rusting; they said some other issue as well, but I'm unable to recall it for now
• Activa & cousins (Maestro, Destini, Grazia) outright rejected because they're not made like the old gen (the one we have from 2005); these scooters are not having pickup & necessary torque. For every 6-7K Km, the clutch needs to be lubricated without which excess noise is evident (this is not the case with our 2005 model)
• TVS Jupiter, now this is 110 not 125, seem to be coming with aluminium bore instead of cast iron (when they introduced the model); these AL bores are good enough for 40K Km with improper maintenance. Also Jupiter has complaint with the belt cutting off for no reason for every 6-7K. Surprisingly this belt cutting off is not a known issue with NTorq, so not sure if the same can be expected from Jupiter 125 as well
• Ray ZR does not have any of the above issue, but the cables are good enough for 7-8 months post which they get hardened & lose the good smooth operation
• So which is near trouble free? Surprise surprise!! Zest, Pep & Pleasure!! (Not even the Duet 110) Unfortunately they're all 110 cc, but near complaint free, low on maintenance & fuss free ownership, but comes at the cost of not so powerful engine & needs to soft handling. Pep has atrociously spacious floor board that one can even carry 2 cylinders. One cannot simply have a glance at that scooter to make that judgement

[Akshay6988]

Originally Posted by aargee

So which is near trouble free? Surprise surprise!! Zest, Pep & Pleasure!! (Not even the Duet 110) Unfortunately they're all 110 cc, but near complaint free, low on maintenance & fuss free ownership, but comes at the cost of not so powerful engine & are not rough & tough. Pep has atrociously spacious floor board that one can even carry 2 cylinders

I can vouch for Hero Pleasure as being a near trouble free scooter. We had bought it way back in 2009 and current odometer reading stands at about 43,xxx kms. Apart from regular servicing and consumables changes (oil, tyres, filters) , only major components I've changed are - front and rear shock absorbers (no spring action left mostly due to their age) and drive belt (again due to age) that too in January,21 ! I've taken her many times from Baramati to Pune (in college days), rode across all of the Pune city, no mechanical failures till date.
Electricals are still going strong, starts up in a crank or two. Sure cosmetic plastic bits are faded but mechanically it is as sound as the day we bought it. Here she is -



It's sad they don't make such quality products anymore ! Sure it doesn't have fancy Bluetooth, screens and other features, but it does it's basic job of taking me from point A to point B, and I don't think I'll ever let go of this