[Phantom 510]

Jupiter has been the class benchmark in terms of vfm, features and larger 12 inches at either ends with soft suspension set up. It is the best 110cc scooter in our market IMO.

[wolf_lone]

Originally Posted by ASP007

Mine is a MY Nov'23 ZX SmartXonnect drum variant (E20 compliant) and it has a kicker.

But anyways that's a bummer shouldn't be excluded.

Its a cost cutting measure. I am sure it can be fitted from the service center by paying an additional cost. Just like Jupiter 125.

Anybody noticed they removed the metal bag hook which is usually located just below the seat. Only the plastic L type hook in the front body is given which is mostly useless since its not as sturdy as the metal bag hook.

[cdmanju]

Originally Posted by r_devakumar

I am planning to replace my 22 years old Activa and it looks like a good option.

I'm glad to hear you're holding on to your Activa for so long! I'm not sure what's wrong with me—I end up replacing mine every three years. 😅

[Buzzard_storme]

The piano black finishes seems to be the newest obsession and everyone are jumping on to it. It's a dust magnet and a pain to maintain. This on a scooter = disaster recipe!

Refreshing challenger to the boring Activa - how many G's would they keep on adding!

[ravradha]

Ex-Showroom Price Delhi published by TVS for Jupiter 110.

DRUM - ₹ 73 700
DRUM ALLOY - ₹ 79 200
DRUM SXC - ₹ 83 250
DISC SXC - ₹ 87 250

For comparison Jupiter 125 prices Ex showroom Delhi

Drum - Alloy - ₹ 79 299
Disc - ₹ 84 001
SmartXonnect - ₹ 90 480

Activa prices Ex showroom Delhi

ACTIVA STD Rs.76684
ACTIVA DLX Rs.79184
ACTIVA H-SMART Rs.82684

Suzuki access Ex showroom Delhi

Connect Disc Alloy - ₹ 90 500/-
Special Edition Disc - ₹ 86 802/-
Standard Edition Drum - ₹ 79 899/-
Standard Edition Disc - ₹ 85 001/-

For comparison

Ex showroom prices Delhi

ACTIVA 125 DRUM Rs.80256
ACTIVA 125 DRUM ALLOY Rs.83924
ACTIVA 125 DISC Rs.87429
ACTIVA 125 H-SMART Rs.89429

DIO 125 STD 3D Rs.83400
DIO 125 STD Rs.83850
DIO 125 SMART 3D Rs.91300
DIO 125 SMART Rs.91750

Dio Std Rs.70211
Dio Dlx Rs.74662
Dio H-Smart Rs.78162

[Formula1]

Analog console looks much better...

Perhaps could have given piano black around the digital one. No risk of scratches either.

[Zinger_Winger]

Do these come with Combi Braking Systems? I'm in the market for an "Activa" for short market runs/errands etc., and need one with combi-braking only. Would appreciate if some options are prescribed.

[wolf_lone]

Originally Posted by Zinger_Winger

Do these come with Combi Braking Systems? I'm in the market for an "Activa" for short market runs/errands etc., and need one with combi-braking only. Would appreciate if some options are prescribed.

It has combi brakes in all variants.

[Vinod_nair]

Originally Posted by Zinger_Winger

Do these come with Combi Braking Systems? I'm in the market for an "Activa" for short market runs/errands etc., and need one with combi-braking only. Would appreciate if some options are prescribed.

OT: I've a '15 Jupiter, usage same as you, it's the best scooter I can suggest, has 12" both wheels gas filled rear shock, very comfortable on our roads, except for the yearly service, a set of tyres, a couple of batteries, were the main expenses in the 22k km journey.

BTW : I'm 64.

[aargee]

Originally Posted by Gamemaztr

One question though. How can TVS call it 110cc if the engine capacity exceeds 110cc (113.5cc to be precise)? I have almost never seen such a thing. Shouldn't they call it Jupiter 115?

Ninja ZX6R is 636 CC is marketed as 600CC - https://www.kawasaki.com/en-us/motor...25-ninja-zx-6r

Panigale V4 is 1103 CC marketed as 1100CC - https://www.ducati.com/ww/en/bikes/p...nTechSpec=true

In that lines, 113 CC can be disguised under 110 CC

[PrasunBannerjee]

Originally Posted by five46

Why do you say so Sir?

The predecessor to this is a BS6 Jupiter 110, and has a Kick Starter.

Likewise there are many BS6 2 wheelers at the entry level/executive level segment which have kick start lever. Heck! Even the XPulse 200 4v, a 200cc class adv also offers it.

Originally Posted by bwildrd#1

Kick starter is available in the new Jupiter as well in lower variants. Only the SmartXonnect variants doesn’t have, that’s the same case with Honda duos - Activa and Dio. They too don’t have kicker in H-Smart variants. I’m not sure about the technical logic behind that decision but when I asked the SA, he told me that H-Smart variants comes with bigger battery and never goes out of charge so we don’t need a kicker

Wow, that's a new info to me. Call it a strange coincidence or whatever, any 2 wheeler I came across after BS6 implemention didn't have a kick starter. Crazy coincidence perhaps with people around me buying those specific variants of Activa, Bajaj Avenger, Xtreme 160 4V, Apache RTR 200 4V etc that I came across, made me think the kickstarters are gone permanently since BS6 implementation.

TBHP is definitely great source of automotive learning for me

[zinbart]

Friends, any news/info. on when a new 125cc Jupiter can be launched with a refreshed design?

[ravradha]

Originally Posted by zinbart

Friends, any news/info. on when a new 125cc Jupiter can be launched with a refreshed design?

I suspect that TVS has a strong case for rationalizing their portfolio.

Reasons:

They are having too many engine types for the given sales volume. (As given below). Compare and contrast with Honda and Suzuki.

They have gone in for a new engine 113 cc (7.95 Bhp) derived from 125 cc (8.05 Bhp) engine for Jupiter 110.
This is, albeit they had a great engine in their old 109 cc engine.
The latest mileage reports in YT (to be considered with a pinch of salt) doesn't give a perceptable enhanced performance or mileage for 113 cc engine over 109 cc engine.
Raises a question will they discontinue Jupiter 125 in the current engine tune? Will they replace the old 109 cc engine with new 113 cc engine in Zest?

TVS

TVS Jupiter 113 cc
Sales volume July 2024 - 53 k @70%
Displacement - 113.3 cc
Max Power 7.95 Bhp /5.9kW @ 6500 rpm
Max Torque - 9.8Nm @ 5000rpm (with Assist) 9.2Nm @ 5000rpm (without Assist)


TVS Jupiter 124 cc
Sales volume July 2024 - 23 K @ 30%
Max Power - 8.05 Bhp / 6.0 KW @ 6500 rpm
Max Torque 10.5 @ 4500 rpm

TVS NTOQ 125 cc 3 V
Sales volume July 2024 - 27 K
Maximum power - 9.39 Bhp / 7 KW @7000 RPM
Maximum torque 10.6 Nm @ 5500 RPM

TVS Zest 109 cc
Sales volume July 2024 - 10 K
TORQUE IN NM @RPM 8.8Nm@5500 rpm
POWER IN KW @RPM 7.71 Bhp 5.75kW@7500 rpm

TVS pep+ 88 cc
Sales volume July 2024 - NA
TORQUE 6.5 NM @ 3500 RPM
MAXIMUM POWER 5.36 Bhp 4 KW @ 6500 RPM

Honda and Suzuki have better portfolio rationalization and engine assignment.

HONDA

Activa 109 cc
Sales volume July 2024 - 1.56 L @ 80 %
Max Power 7.74 Bhp / 5.77kW @ 8000 rpm
Max Torque 8.90 Nm @ 5500 rpm
Bore 47.000 mm
Stroke 63.121 mm

Dio 109 cc
Sales volume July 2024 - 18 K
Max Output 7.76 Bhp / 5.78kW @ 8000 rpm
Max Torque 9.03 Nm @ 5250 rpm
Bore x Stroke(mm) 47.000 x 63.121 (mm)

Activa 124 cc
Sales volume July 2024 - 39 K @20%
Max Power 8.2 Bhp / 6.11 kW @ 6250 rpm
Max Torque 10.4 Nm @ 5000 rpm
Bore 50.000 mm
Stroke 63.113 mm

Dio 124 cc
Sales volume July 2024 - 16 K
Max Output 8.17 Bhp / 6.09 kW @ 6250 rpm
Max torque 10.4 N-m @ 5000 rpm
Bore x Stroke(mm) 50.000 x 63.113 (mm)

SUZUKI

ACCESS
Sales volume July 2024 - 71 K
AVENIS
Sales volume July 2024 - 7 K
BURGMAN all 124 CC
Sales volume July 2024 - 20 K

Bore x Stroke 52.5 mm X 57.4 mm
Engine Output 8.58 Bhp / 8.7ps @ 6750 rpm
Torque 10Nm @ 5500 rpm

[wolf_lone]

A good feature comparison between Jupiter 113cc & Jupiter 125cc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lAru8UvA3s

[ravradha]

Are you one among thousands waiting to book Jupiter 110 after physicaly checking it? This is the reason why you are made to wait!

After the launch, Jupiter 110 is facing delays in getting RTO certifications (It's part of the process!). In Tamil Nadu it is expected to be available from third week of September, hopefully.

Challenges faced by OEMs in getting RTO certifications:

1. Complex regulatory framework
2. Lack of standardization across states
3. Inefficient processes and bureaucracy
4. Corruption and bribery demands
5. Limited testing infrastructure
6. High testing costs
7. Long waiting periods (weeks to months)
8. Bribery
- It's upto one's imagination how much OEMs have to pay as bribe to RTO, when there so many published vigilance reports of RTOs fleecing thousands from the poor public, leave alone one's own experience
- OEMs may pay much more to expedite the process or avoid modifications and rejections

Comparison to Western countries:

- Streamlined processes with clear guidelines
- Standardized regulations across regions
- Efficient, updated testing infrastructure which keep up to today's tech advancement
- Transparency and accountability
- Minimal waiting periods
- No bribery culture
- Use of third-party specialists to test new products of OEMs. These third-party specialists are typically independent testing and certification bodies, such as:
1. Intertek
2. SGS
3. TÜV Rheinland
4. DEKRA
5. Applus+

Reforms needed:

- Digitalization and automation of processes
- Standardization of regulations and processes across states
- Increased transparency and accountability
- Use of third party testing specialists
- Improved testing infrastructure
- Anti-corruption measures
- Training and capacity building for RTO staff
- Public awareness that a part of what they pay as product price is actually an apportioned bribe to RTO