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Old 4th November 2024, 12:14   #16
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Re: The curious case of twisted subframes

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The day after delivery, I noticed that the rear mudguard was misaligned. Initially i thought it was a poorly fitted mudguard but upon further inspection, it became clear that the subframe itself is misaligned.

This issue was missed during delivery because the bike was positioned with the tail too close to the backdrop.

In the pictures, the blue line aligns with the start of the subframe and the yellow lines run parallel to it.

I don't have much hope for resolution, but sharing this as a word of caution about this issue and to insist on a PDI.
Unfortunately you are not alone in this. I remember a fellow BHPian's Super Meteor or Shotgun with very similar misaligned rear fender. It is either a production line issue or it happens during the transport to dealerships. If that is a bent subframe, they need to replace the thing free of cost.

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https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/motor...ml#post5749579 (Royal Enfield Shotgun 650 unveiled)

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Old 4th November 2024, 12:32   #17
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Re: The curious case of twisted subframes

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The day after delivery, I noticed that the rear mudguard was misaligned. Initially i thought it was a poorly fitted mudguard but upon further inspection, it became clear that the subframe itself is misaligned.


I don't have much hope for resolution, but sharing this as a word of caution about this issue and to insist on a PDI.
I picked up on this on CD's review above in post #7. RE has messed up the rear subframe alignment. Besides all the issues being highlighted in various models, this after years of manufacturing experience and selling bucket loads of bikes is not at all acceptable.
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Old 4th November 2024, 15:57   #18
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Re: Royal Enfield Guerrilla 450 Review

Noob question, does a misaligned subframe affect the riding dynamics drastically? Like rear wheel wobbling, bike pulling towards the sides or uneven pulse like braking effect etc.
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Old 4th November 2024, 16:23   #19
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Being curious, I observed the bikes parked at the service center in which roughly 30% percent of them had various degrees of the twist.
This reminds me of a video I saw on YouTube. It only had modest views. The guy in the video was doing PDI of a brand new Himalayan allotted to him along with a buddy of his. They noticed that the tail was misaligned and the service guy was heard saying it's not a big deal.

I'll link it here in case I manage to find it again.

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Old 5th November 2024, 09:39   #20
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Re: Royal Enfield Guerrilla 450 Review

I’ve been noticing this on many new RE bikes, even meteor 350s due to OCD which I have. Now that I read it here, I know it is a real thing. One of my friend’s Meteor has the same issue.
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Old 5th November 2024, 11:35   #21
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Re: Royal Enfield Guerrilla 450 Review

Not a new issue on RE bikes. I have encountered numerous Classic 350, Bullet 350 and even new Classic and Meteor 350 with misaligned read mudguard. I must add, this issue is less common on new gen Classics but is not nonexistent. Guess this is part of RE ownership.
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Old 6th November 2024, 07:08   #22
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Re: Royal Enfield Guerrilla 450 Review

This is a very old issue with RE motorcycles. My friend's bullet 350 had this issue, almost half of the thunderbirds you see on the road has this issue. I don't think there is a solution.

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Old 7th November 2024, 18:39   #23
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I'll link it here in case I manage to find it again.
Found the video:



The guy spotted that the subframe/chassis was misaligned when doing PDI.


Royal Enfield Guerrilla 450 Review-screenshot-20241107-6.35.558239pm.png
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Old 9th November 2024, 10:48   #24
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Re: Royal Enfield Guerrilla 450 Review

Not a new issue at RE, had the same with my 2013 thunderbird the service centre never were able to fix it. After few years took it my own hands and removed the rear subframe, in the old chassis design was easy to remove the subframe. I discovered that the whole subframe was mounted crooked just like in the guerilla case. I decided to ditch the subframe got a new one fabricated to accommodate flat seat rode happily thereafter 😀😊.
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Old 19th November 2024, 14:22   #25
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Re: Royal Enfield Guerrilla 450 Review

The mis-allignment issue has been ever present in RE bikes recently. I had an Electra which I don't remember suffering from this issue. My new J series Classic 350 also has a mis-alligned rear. I noticed it few days after buying it and the only time it bothers me is when I pull my car out of my garage and I see it head on. RE is the epitome of " THIS'LL DO " attitude which plagues most Indian companies.
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Old 27th November 2024, 14:20   #26
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Re: Royal Enfield Guerrilla 450 Review

Hi All

After the TR I took of the Guerrilla about Ten days ago, here's a couple more cons that I think there are in the bike:

- The decision to not have a dedicated red brake and stop lamp is borderline
dangerous IMHO. As is people ignore these lights and drive aggressively
behind us, not having this large red light is not a good choice.
- The bike feels overtyred to me. This is a naked roadster and a very slender
one at that. This bike deserved some grippy sporty rubber like the Alphas in
the 110/150 setup. With that setup the bike would have been way livelier.
With the 120/160 setup I feel the bike gets hampered and loses the fun
quotient a bit.

I really dig the looks of the bike and want to get the silver one home but swapping out the tyres would void the warranty which is not a situation I want to be in so thinking about settling for a Gixxer 250 for now.
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Old 3rd December 2024, 14:27   #27
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Re: Royal Enfield Guerrilla 450 Review

RE Guerrilla 450 unveiled in new colour at Motoverse
Royal Enfield Guerrilla 450 Review-screenshot-20241203-2.26.368239pm.png

Looks quite good.

Source
https://gaadiwaadi.com/royal-enfield...launch-in-jan/
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Old 30th December 2024, 00:37   #28
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Re: Royal Enfield Guerrilla 450 Review

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That said, I suspect sporty tyres could help the bike to tip into corners better and owners could benefit from an upgrade to sportier rubber.
Looks like the Guerilla 450 is truly a different beast with better tyres - Sarge drags knees and pegs on the Guerilla with a fresh set of TVS Eurogrip Roadhounds slapped on -

Royal Enfield Guerrilla 450 Review-screenshot_20241230_101915_instagram.jpg


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Re: The curious case of twisted subframes

Could this be caused while offloading and handling the bike?

RE SVC and showrooms are known to man handle the bikes.
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Re: The curious case of twisted subframes

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Also attaching a picture of a Shotgun 650 in the showroom to show that this isn’t due to any user damage.

I don't have much hope for resolution, but sharing this as a word of caution about this issue and to insist on a PDI.
This looks like the mounting is damaged or skewed. My 2013 Classic 500 had the same issue it took lot of back and forth to fix the issue.

I almost positive that this damage happens during transportation and handling in stockyard.

I could be wrong but it would be weird for someone like RE to have such poor QC
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