[FlankerFury]

Royal Enfield Scram 440 unveiled




Spiritual successor to the Scram 411

-powered by a modified version of the erstwhile 411
-makes 25.4bhp and 34Nm torque
-6spd gearbox
-get's switchable ABS

Comes in two distinct variants, Trail and Force.

Trail gets wire spoke wheels with block pattern tyres.
Force gets alloys with road biased tyres.

https://www.rushlane.com/amp/royal-e...-12512369.html

Images of the Force variant.



Close up of the alloy wheels

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Frankly speaking - good update from Royal Enfield! There are many who love the seating position of the old Himalayan / Scram and couldn't relate to the new Himalayan in the same way. Plus for those who want the old long stroke charecter in their tourers.

Updating the Scram makes it an easier choice for these loyalists.

And they anyway have the new 450 in the Himalayan and the Guerrilla for those who seek modernity.

[tharian]

From the numbers, I think the engine is going to feel less stressed compared to the 411.
Still makes me wonder if the Scram 411 had that many buyers and if that will change now with the 440 when there is a 450 in the Guerilla.

[Geo_Ipe]

Originally Posted by FlankerFury

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Spiritual successor to the Scram 411

-powered by a modified version of the erstwhile 411
-makes 25.4bhp and 34Nm torque
-6spd gearbox

Lovely to see RE keeping the 411 engine alive. As a Himalayan 411 owner, I can vouch for the character this motor has! Price it considerably lesser than the G450, and I'm sure there will be decent number of takers.

However, someone needs to explain where the 440 number came from!?

[FlankerFury]

Originally Posted by Geo_Ipe

However, someone needs to explain where the 440 number came from!?

From the Rushlane article,

it is powered by a modified version of 411 block displacing 443cc, courtesy of a 3mm bigger bore on its long-stroke (LS) engine.

[b16h22]

Originally Posted by FlankerFury

From the Rushlane article,

Wonder if this is going to serve as an OE+ overbore upgrade option for the current 411 owners. Plus the addition of 6th cog.

[DesertLynx34]

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

Frankly speaking - good update from Royal Enfield! There are many who love the seating position of the old Himalayan / Scram and couldn't relate to the new Himalayan in the same way. Plus for those who want the old long stroke charecter in their tourers.

Yes, that's me.

So out of the blue move from RE and a good one at that where it isn't merely a graphics update.

[Geo_Ipe]

Originally Posted by FlankerFury

From the Rushlane article,

Wow! So RE now has a 450 cc & 440 cc engine doing duty!? Why would they spend on R&D to develop the 440 from the 411, when the 450 cc mill is already operational?

[SAE40 in veins]

Originally Posted by tharian

From the numbers, I think the engine is going to feel less stressed compared to the 411.
Still makes me wonder if the Scram 411 had that many buyers and if that will change now with the 440 when there is a 450 in the Guerilla.

I believe that this change is welcome. After test riding the Guerilla, the following are the observations.

1. Seating is too low (on the TD vehicle it actually felt lower than the spec height of 780 mm). I am of average height (5 ft 10 inches) and could stand up comfortably with the seat well below me.

2. I have a habit of resting my feet over the brake lever and due to the low seating posture and the rearward positioned foot pegs, i had to restrain my right foot in an upward angle to prevent the brake from being half pressed. While it can be blamed on my riding habits, the low seating with rearward biased foot pegs is not a great combination for day to day urban use. For a daily commuter like me, the 'track oriented', hard cornering seating was a put off.

While the Guerilla engine is a hoot and fun to ride, the ergonomics are better suited for short riders or the speed junkies. Compared to that, the scram is a welcome change with a slightly better seat height (795mm) and a more upright seating posture. (Yet to TD the Scram 440)

[AlQuazi]

The engine specs are surely interesting. Knowing RE, the 440 engine will not remain only for the Scram. I see a rebirth of the OG Himalyan happening soon.

Maybe by launching it first on the low selling scram, they're looking to iron out any niggles first. Also, you wouldn't want to cannibalise the 450 Himalayan so soon.

The writing on the wall is pretty clear. The Himalayan 440 is coming soon!

[surjaonwheelz]

Riders,

Scram 440 will be a boon to the Ladakh, Manali, Srinagar bike rental fleets. There's no replacement for low-end torque and now the very familiar LS engine with an approachable seat height and pillion friendly ergonomics!

This is one wild card in the RE fleet. RE is on a launch spree, fourth bike within 2 weeks!

Happy riding,
surjaonwheelz

[FlankerFury]

Originally Posted by Geo_Ipe

Wow! So RE now has a 450 cc & 440 cc engine doing duty!? Why would they spend on R&D to develop the 440 from the 411, when the 450 cc mill is already operational?

Cost is one thing I could think of, complexity might be another.
The Himalayan has been in production since 2016, there's a tonne of parts sharing between that and the Scram so RE has all the tooling and vendor base in place. R&D costs must not have been high, it should give RE the ability to price this a lot lower than the 450.

The LS410 (LS440 now?) is relatively simpler than the Sherpa 450. Air-oil cooled 2V motor vs liquid cooled 4V motor.
No worries about the radiator getting caked with mud, pebbles and debris damaging it, no coolant levels to check or replace. Relatively speaking, it truly is quite simple. That also translates to easier DIY services (it's not a thing in India but it is abroad)

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Going from the comments on Royal Enfield bikes in the hands of international reviewers, there seems to be a fan following for these simple motorcycles. People love the tractor like torque, low seating, low price, simplicity and ruggedness for a bike they'd use for greenlaning and riding on B roads.

"It's a 70's bike with 70's tech for 70's pricing", a comment on YouTube*.


*not applicable in Indian context


Edit:- missed mentioning this,
In terms of displacement, the engines are closely matched. In terms of peak power outputs, they're poles apart, 25bhp vs 40bhp.

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Just realised this would be the closest we'd get to a 500 single from RE. Does anyone think RE should shoehorn this motor into a Classic/Bullet frame?

[nitro.1000bhp]

Originally Posted by Geo_Ipe

Wow! So RE now has a 450 cc & 440 cc engine doing duty!? Why would they spend on R&D to develop the 440 from the 411, when the 450 cc mill is already operational?

its pretty much just a big bore kit when it comes to upsizing the bore/stroke from 411 to 440. Many small time performance product makers have been making such big bore kits for the Japanese bikes for a long time now. Its no big r&d expense for a manufacturer with the scale of RE. The bigger expense here is the 6-speed gear box as the engine case needs to modified to accommodate it and that might need some tooling changes at the production level.

[EasyRider Suraj]

Originally Posted by FlankerFury

Just realised this would be the closest we'd get to a 500 single from RE. Does anyone think RE should shoehorn this motor into a Classic/Bullet frame?

Look at Hero/Harley's 440cc engine. That too is 2v air cooled long stroke but it makes more power and torque. That's the closest to j-series 500cc we have as said by Bosky of BigBearCustoms. I test rode that bike and loved it a lot.

[saikishor]

Surprised to see so many positive replies to this launch. I am still scratching my head to understand the point of this bike, when RE has a new generation of this on sale already. I did not know demand was so strong for the long stroke motor.

I must say, RE is launching too many bikes. It will get confusing sooner or later to see so many bikes.

Heck my close friend owns a GT650 and he himself bashed RE for this pointless launch.