V Twin Fiero

superavi · 21st April 2005, 13:20

Fieroid,

Tell us more about the V twin Fiero. Interesting concept, and atleast a first for India!!

Superavi

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shravan316 · 21st April 2005, 18:22

Fiero coming with a Vtwin engine??????? wow! details please!!

fieroid · 23rd April 2005, 04:28

supernavi...thanx for making a new thread....i was just waiting to do that!
anyways!
the v-twin fiero is an inhouse unit thats being built by m/s ZEN TVS which is based in bull temple road...
its a project that they have taken-up to test the capability of the fiero engine...infact they say that the fiero's engine can take-up any kinda engine mod and its so damn compatable that u can even change the dynamics of the entire engine layout...
well right now the crank shaft of the engine and the engine case is ready...
one of the cylinders that is gonna be fitted to the v-twin,which is ported is running on my bike.so once i complete my 185cc conversion, they will fit that cylinder in the v-twin.the crank shaft is truly a work of art and they have put a lot of pain in getting it balance the weight properly. the engine is a suzuki fiero's unit wid 2 suzuki fiero barrels and 2 carbs.they have modified the stock engine case and the 1st barrel sits a little away from the stock position ot a bit forward so that the v-twin can be arranged ,and the other barrel sits on the self starter case and the carbs are the stock mikuni bs26 and the airfilter for the 1st barrel is from under the tank and the other barrel gets thge air from the regular position.
the chassis will be the fiero f2's wid sone mods on the cradle to accomodate the bigger engine.the engine will displace 295cc and will make 27hp at the crank...they have plans to boost the power to even 30hp, but they need to try the reliability of the crank and see if it can take the power, afterwhich they will port and use bigger carbs and k&n filter.
will post the pics soon as the engine is now at the lathe...

Steeroid · 23rd April 2005, 11:00

Wow! Why isnt TVS doing this themselves - they have proven R&D capabilities? Is there any factory support at all for this effort?

islero · 24th April 2005, 20:28

Its probably because it'll be too costly to do that.

iomega · 24th April 2005, 22:47

WHOA.. great work feiriod...

I've always thot abt doin that.. but i'm still a student and I really dont have enough resources n experence for that..
wish I cud also work on this project.. will gimme so much exposure..

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islero · 24th April 2005, 23:03

You should have posted that in a seperate thread, mate. It desserves that.

fieroid · 25th April 2005, 22:10

hey guyz its not the cost factor wid tvs but this is a project that ZEN TVS has taken up to prove their tech capabilities. TVS has not much hands in it. THis is an independent project by them wid their own funds and right now the engine case is held-up at the lathe coz the welding system to weld the aluminium cast is hard to find.so by end of next week the case shud be ready!

Mpower · 25th April 2005, 22:48

Hey dude
Sounds like a cool project. This is the guy near BMS college right? I remember going to his shop many times with
my friend who had a Shogun. We used to go and look at the rally Shoguns that he used to prepare. His bikes were always winning. Also remember
meeting the manager ( the guy with the beard)
Neeways....sounds like a cool project. Wonder if the gearbox and the chassis can take all that power? Do you know if its a 45/60 deg V or a 90 deg Vee angle. Also what is the crank firing angle? Is its a 45deg (Harley) style or a 90deg (Ducati style)
Send some pics of the work in progress if possible.

fieroid · 26th April 2005, 21:51

the angle will be 45 deg . yup its the same place near BMS college.since the engine case is currently at the lathe, once its out from there, i'll surely take some snaps!
yup, the chassis of the fiero f2 will be able to take the power of the engine!

topend_hooligan · 27th April 2005, 01:35

The Vtwin fiero gonna be some torque bomb, huh?

fieroid · 9th May 2005, 20:02

yup a true bomb..its gonna do atleast 140kmph!

superavi · 10th May 2005, 15:33

Hey Fieriod,
What stage of development is it in currently? And when can we possibly see some pics? Maybe a step by step development <if the makers allow> would be great!

What power is it expected to develop? And what changes are being made to the chassis? Suspension?

Tell us more.

Superavi

fieroid · 11th May 2005, 18:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by superavi

Hey Fieriod,
What stage of development is it in currently? And when can we possibly see some pics? Maybe a step by step development <if the makers allow> would be great!

What power is it expected to develop? And what changes are being made to the chassis? Suspension?

Tell us more.

Superavi

the engine is still at the lathe as they need a special kind of torch to weld the engine case. also the other parts of the engine like the clutch, magnet etc r also being worked on.
the chassis will be that of the fiero f2 and will have stiffer suspension than the stock springs.
dont worry mate...in about 2 weeks i will be able to get the pics of the engine layout!

iomega · 24th May 2005, 00:10

hey feriod..
What abt the crank shaft, how exactly did they design it?? can i have more detaisl regarding that?
and I'm not frombangalore.. so can ya tell me wht exactly is ZEN TVS??

And whtdya mean special kinda torch?? rnt they using TIG for weldin engines peices??
But Al is generally welded with thermite weldin..

Ram

21st April 2005, 13:20	#1
superavi BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: London Posts: 286 Thanked: 29 Times	V Twin Fiero Fieroid, Tell us more about the V twin Fiero. Interesting concept, and atleast a first for India!! Superavi <P.s. As suggested by Mod here is a new thread! :-)>
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shravan316 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,029 Thanked: 10 Times	Fiero coming with a Vtwin engine??????? wow! details please!!
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23rd April 2005, 04:28	#3
fieroid BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: bangalore Posts: 700 Thanked: 306 Times	supernavi...thanx for making a new thread....i was just waiting to do that! anyways! the v-twin fiero is an inhouse unit thats being built by m/s ZEN TVS which is based in bull temple road... its a project that they have taken-up to test the capability of the fiero engine...infact they say that the fiero's engine can take-up any kinda engine mod and its so damn compatable that u can even change the dynamics of the entire engine layout... well right now the crank shaft of the engine and the engine case is ready... one of the cylinders that is gonna be fitted to the v-twin,which is ported is running on my bike.so once i complete my 185cc conversion, they will fit that cylinder in the v-twin.the crank shaft is truly a work of art and they have put a lot of pain in getting it balance the weight properly. the engine is a suzuki fiero's unit wid 2 suzuki fiero barrels and 2 carbs.they have modified the stock engine case and the 1st barrel sits a little away from the stock position ot a bit forward so that the v-twin can be arranged ,and the other barrel sits on the self starter case and the carbs are the stock mikuni bs26 and the airfilter for the 1st barrel is from under the tank and the other barrel gets thge air from the regular position. the chassis will be the fiero f2's wid sone mods on the cradle to accomodate the bigger engine.the engine will displace 295cc and will make 27hp at the crank...they have plans to boost the power to even 30hp, but they need to try the reliability of the crank and see if it can take the power, afterwhich they will port and use bigger carbs and k&n filter. will post the pics soon as the engine is now at the lathe... Last edited by fieroid : 23rd April 2005 at 04:41.
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Steeroid Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: N.A Posts: 7,025 Thanked: 2,757 Times	Wow! Why isnt TVS doing this themselves - they have proven R&D capabilities? Is there any factory support at all for this effort? Last edited by Aditya : 23rd April 2005 at 12:13.
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24th April 2005, 20:28	#5
islero Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chennai Posts: 1,574 Thanked: 13 Times View My Garage	Its probably because it'll be too costly to do that.
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24th April 2005, 22:47	#6
iomega Newbie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chennai Posts: 12 Thanked: 0 Times	WHOA.. great work feiriod... I've always thot abt doin that.. but i'm still a student and I really dont have enough resources n experence for that.. wish I cud also work on this project.. will gimme so much exposure.. Note from Mod: Post only relevant to the topic in discussion. Take other discussions to a separate thread. SMS lingo use prohibited. Warning level increased by one. Last edited by ported_head : 25th April 2005 at 00:55.
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24th April 2005, 23:03	#7
islero Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chennai Posts: 1,574 Thanked: 13 Times View My Garage	You should have posted that in a seperate thread, mate. It desserves that.
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25th April 2005, 22:10	#8
fieroid BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: bangalore Posts: 700 Thanked: 306 Times	hey guyz its not the cost factor wid tvs but this is a project that ZEN TVS has taken up to prove their tech capabilities. TVS has not much hands in it. THis is an independent project by them wid their own funds and right now the engine case is held-up at the lathe coz the welding system to weld the aluminium cast is hard to find.so by end of next week the case shud be ready!
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25th April 2005, 22:48	#9
Mpower Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 10,397 Thanked: 1,735 Times View My Garage	Hey dude Sounds like a cool project. This is the guy near BMS college right? I remember going to his shop many times with my friend who had a Shogun. We used to go and look at the rally Shoguns that he used to prepare. His bikes were always winning. Also remember meeting the manager ( the guy with the beard) Neeways....sounds like a cool project. Wonder if the gearbox and the chassis can take all that power? Do you know if its a 45/60 deg V or a 90 deg Vee angle. Also what is the crank firing angle? Is its a 45deg (Harley) style or a 90deg (Ducati style) Send some pics of the work in progress if possible.
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26th April 2005, 21:51	#10
fieroid BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: bangalore Posts: 700 Thanked: 306 Times	the angle will be 45 deg . yup its the same place near BMS college.since the engine case is currently at the lathe, once its out from there, i'll surely take some snaps! yup, the chassis of the fiero f2 will be able to take the power of the engine!
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27th April 2005, 01:35	#11
topend_hooligan BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Thane Posts: 65 Thanked: 2 Times	The Vtwin fiero gonna be some torque bomb, huh?
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9th May 2005, 20:02	#12
fieroid BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: bangalore Posts: 700 Thanked: 306 Times	yup a true bomb..its gonna do atleast 140kmph!
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10th May 2005, 15:33	#13
superavi BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: London Posts: 286 Thanked: 29 Times	Hey Fieriod, What stage of development is it in currently? And when can we possibly see some pics? Maybe a step by step development <if the makers allow> would be great! What power is it expected to develop? And what changes are being made to the chassis? Suspension? Tell us more. Superavi
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24th May 2005, 00:10	#15
iomega Newbie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chennai Posts: 12 Thanked: 0 Times	hey feriod.. What abt the crank shaft, how exactly did they design it?? can i have more detaisl regarding that? and I'm not frombangalore.. so can ya tell me wht exactly is ZEN TVS?? And whtdya mean special kinda torch?? rnt they using TIG for weldin engines peices?? But Al is generally welded with thermite weldin.. Ram
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