Originally Posted by lamborghini (Post 3733777)

That is probably the reason - the engine may not get warmed up by the time you reach your destination, which might impact fuel economy? In the Skoda with the temp gauge, I notice it needs 6-7kms before it reaches peak operating temperature.
I am not a technical person, but this seems a little logical - open to people correcting me on this though! :D

Also, typically cars in Mumbai give much lower FE than those in other cities (just based on the figures I see and hear). I know how you feel, I felt the same way when our Classic Fiesta TDCi gave 13.5-14kmpl in the city while all the 1.6 owners on the forum were getting 12-12.5 in their city. Made me wish I didn't sacrifice that 1kmpl for the superb performance of its petrol counterpart. But realistically speaking, I doubt the Fiesta 1.6 would give the same figures on my commute.

My driving style is similar to yours, except that most of the time the car is driven by the chauffeur. I will check my FE and report back as well, but don't expect it to be radically different from yours.

Originally Posted by lamborghini (Post 3733777)

That is probably the reason - the engine may not get warmed up by the time you reach your destination, which might impact fuel economy? In the Skoda with the temp gauge, I notice it needs 6-7kms before it reaches peak operating temperature.
I am not a technical person, but this seems a little logical - open to people correcting me on this though! :D

Originally Posted by coolmel (Post 3733797)

The Liva does not have those gauges but yes it could be one reason! But isn't the D4D an aluminium block? To reach operating temperatures quickly ie. Just a thought.

Also I guess you wanted to say your Fiesta gave 12-12.5 and others gave 13.5-14, because Mumbai people usually get lower FE than our counterparts.

Originally Posted by Edwardanto (Post 3733870)

My daily drive from home to office is 6 kms one way and takes around 15-30 minutes in Bangalore traffic. But the fuel efficiency has never fallen below 15kmpl. May be the engine warms up when idling at traffic signals.:D I always drive with AC, most of the time with two people on board. I normally fill up from COCO Koramangala, keep front tyre pressure at 33 and rear at 30, tops up once a month. I don't know if these factors heavily affect the FE, just saying in case it helps.

Like tsk said the Liva is a little less fuel efficient at high rpms. During one of my recent trips to Kerala, I was driving through 2 lane roads all the way, kept 70-90 speeds and the car returned a handsome 22 kmpl. On another occassion I drove at 100-110, and fuel efficiency dropped to 19.

Originally Posted by lamborghini (Post 3733883)

My mistake - I meant to say that the diesel Fiesta in Mumbai traffic returned 13.5-ish, whereas many from Delhi who had the Fiesta 1.6 Petrol used to get 12-12.5 regularly. The difference wasn't all that much in terms of numbers, but was attributed more to traffic (as I would like to believe).

Yes as good as owning a petrol. But again, the similarities end there.

True, but coolmel drives pretty sedately, as do my chauffeurs (they're in their 50s, so they definitely aren't young drivers with adrenaline flowing in their veins).
In fact, the highest I have ever gotten on the Liva was 15.75kmpl on its first tankful when I was watching the needle, and babying the car literally (run-in) without 100% AC.

That is why I was asking about the route - in traffic the engine warms up quickly but because you're always in a lower gear it greatly impacts FE. But on the more open routes, it can take a lot more kms for the engine to warm up.

Originally Posted by coolmel (Post 3733899)

The biggest deterrent to the mileage is the first gear. She picks up from 2nd if not fully loaded while crossing bumps otherwise its always the first. I try not to but have to! As far as driving sedately goes well I do give it the stick sometimes. Again, where are the roads??!! :D

Originally Posted by --9-- (Post 3733915)

Please check your air filter.
In my exp. - Toyota service sometimes manages to fail to check for dirty air filter.
Generally dirty air filter results in lower O2 supply to fuel. Thereby under using fuel's capacity.

Is there any knocking experienced when in high revs zone? Is your car facing problems with pick up while going up-hill?

If yes - then Air Filter will most definitely be your gripe.

Originally Posted by coolmel (Post 3733957)

No knocking whatsoever and pick up issues either. Just got the service done a few weeks back. Am sure they must have cleaned the filter as well.

Originally Posted by tsk1979 (Post 3734113)

Okay now since you have explained your commute, I think its perfectly fine. Maybe with a light foot you can get 14.5 or so max
Reason is simple. Your run is just few minutes. You idle at many crossings, traffic is stop and go, and its all slow moving.

If you have a decent run of 15-20kms one way, the FE would be 15-16, but in your current situation, this is the max you can get. Think about it. You will get 14 with liva, and 10 with a similar petrol car. That is 40% more FE.

Originally Posted by pranjal1984 (Post 3734122)

I am seriously looking at the Liva VX Petrol or TRD Sportivo for my next car purchase along with the Maruti Swift ZXI and Honda Jazz. However I have heard from some of my colleagues that Liva ride is not comfortable. Can any Liva owner confirm about the ride quality of the Liva vis-a-vis Polo or Swift?

Originally Posted by coolmel (Post 3734148)

Should I warm it up more? Typically I do a 2 min ritual and then take off. Will practise driving with a light foot. :)

Originally Posted by tsk1979 (Post 3734244)

IT won't matter unless you take a longer route to office. If you just idle for 2 minutes you are burning extra fuel. Just idle for the required 30s for turbo life, and then start away, driving with a light foot.