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Big thanks to a Team-BHP fan (who prefers to stay anonymous) for sharing these pics. Caught while driving from Aurangabad to Pune.
TusharK adds that it has black alloys and a blackened roof. A dual-tone version could be in the works. Doesn't seem to be the Trailhawk since the exposed tow hooks are missing and it has the standard alloy wheels.
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Big thanks to a Team-BHP fan (who prefers to stay anonymous) for sharing these pics. Caught while driving from Aurangabad to Pune.
Tushar adds that it has black alloys and a blackened roof. A dual-tone version could be in the works. Doesn't seem to be the Trailhawk since the exposed tow hooks are missing and it has the standard alloy wheels. Attachment 1690307
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I have seen the Trailhawk version being put on test and it carries "Trail Rated" emblem (Red lettering) on the side of the bonnet. It also has different bumpers accommodating better angles.
Could be the 9 speed diesel automatic. Hear that a vehicle with the same is ready. Not yet homologated by ARAI.
The black alloys could be the differentiating factor for the diesel automatic.
Looks like the sport variant with additional alloy wheels (see the clear lens headlamps sans projectors). I hope jeep brings in the 1.6 MJD version to pull the prospective creta owners across. This could be a 1.6 MJD version as well. :D
Hi everyone
There must be at least 5-6 Compass owners on this forum (apart from me) and so far I am the only one with an ownership thread. It will be great if others could also start their ownership threads too as it will give readers a better perspective of the car and also different users experiences.
Also most of us have owned different cars in the past and will tend to compare it with our past / other current cars which will be helpful.
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Hi everyone
There must be at least 5-6 Compass owners on this forum (apart from me) and so far I am the only one with an ownership thread. It will be great if others could also start their ownership threads too as it will give readers a better perspective of the car and also different users experiences.
Also most of us have owned different cars in the past and will tend to compare it with our past / other current cars which will be helpful.
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Sure, I wanted to put with good number of pics, Work in progress, Will update soon.
Production stabilised at 150 Compass per day. Presently, the constraint for increasing Compass production is supply of parts from the global parts suppliers.
Second consignment of 600 units to be exported in the next few days. Japan and Australia.
Was at KHT Prime Yeswanthpur Bangalore. Saw a Compass diesel Logitude arrive there on a flatbed. The car was spewing thick black smoke on starting. They then turned the engine off and pushed the car into the service area. The SA did not disclose the reason when questioned.
Have a video, but unable to upload. If someone volunteers to upload, inbox your whatsapp number and I will forward the video.
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Was at KHT Prime Yeswanthpur Bangalore. Saw a Compass diesel Logitude arrive there on a flatbed. The car was spewing thick black smoke on starting. They then turned the engine off and pushed the car into the service area. The SA did not disclose the reason when questioned.
Have a video, but unable to upload. If someone volunteers to upload, inbox your whatsapp number and I will forward the video.
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Here is the Video (Thanks @Arjun Reddy) :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWYJ...ature=youtu.be
Good part was that they didn't drive or even tow the car and a flatbed was preferred. Could be due to bad fuel, the SA may not know the reason for such breakdown/black smoke till he investigates further i.e. if we give SA and the service center benefit of doubt.
Both Autocar & Overdrive tests report that the FWD Petrol AT does 0-100 in 10.5 seconds, which is a really impressive figure, considering that it's rated at 160BHP and 250NM of torque.
In comparison, the diesel was tested at over 11 seconds, despite being an MT & 4x4 (for a better launch)
While I haven't driven either, it's sad to see quoted figures of 170 BHP & 350NM not delivering the expected performance.
For comparison, the Kodiaq with a rated power of just 150BHP and a kerb weight which is at least 150KG more than even the 4x4 version of Compass does it in about 10.5 seconds as well.
On the other hand, the Tuscon with 180BHP & presumably a similar (or higher) weight than the compass also manages to do it in about 9-9.5 seconds as per these magazines.
These performance figures are perfectly in line with the power to weight ratios of those cars. This makes me wonder if Fiat is grossly overstating the power & torque figures from the 2.0 Multijet.
Just drive the Compass and then figure out as to what is happening. The proof of the pudding is in eating it.
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Both Autocar & Overdrive tests report that the FWD Petrol AT does 0-100 in 10.5 seconds, which is a really impressive figure, considering that it's rated at 160BHP and 250NM of torque.
These performance figures are perfectly in line with the power to weight ratios of those cars. This makes me wonder if Fiat is grossly overstating the power & torque figures from the 2.0 Multijet.
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You would like to go through the following :
https://www.parkers.co.uk/jeep/compa...d-performance/
In UK the Compass is offered with flowing drivetrains :
1) 1.4 multi air 140 bhp (4x2) manual
2) 1.4 multi air 170 bhp (4x4) auto
3) 1.6 mjd 120 bhp (4x2) manual
4) 2.0 mjd 140 bhp (4x4) manual + auto
5) 2.0 mjd 170 bhp (4x4) auto
Guess what, the quickest of the lot is the 1.4 multi air auto but it requires revving to extract power as the maximum torque comes later.
So diesels, specially the MJDs are never have a strong bottom end but are more about mid range and even top end.
The Kodiaq comes with DSG with lightning fast shifts which masks the turbo lag brilliantly and I assume it won't have a strong top end when compared to the Compass.
The Tuscon has more power and substantial more torque.
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So diesels, specially the MJDs are never have a strong bottom end but are more about mid range and even top end.
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Thanks for the link! Definitely quite interesting to see the quoted figures, right from the horse's mouth for all the powertrains.
For acceleration figures, the only thing that matters is the HP delivered at the RPMs used for the 0-100 dash. With the exception of the first second or so where you may be below 2000 RPM, the rest of the time is spent above 2750-3000 RPM, where diesels make most of their peak HP, and in fact, due to the higher torque rating, often make more power earlier than their petrol counterparts. So, if you believe the mid-range and the top end are strong in the compass, why doesn't it post better figures?
After all, the delivered HP can be calculated really easily.
1/2*mv^2 = Energy of the car at a given speed.
=1/2*1600kg*(27.77m/s) ^2
=617KJ
Hence, if the Compass gets to 100KMPH in 11.5 seconds, the average delivered power to the wheels is 53.6KW, or 72HP. If it gets there in 9 seconds, it is 68.6KW, or 92HP.
With this analysis, the torque or the RPMs don't matter, but we do get a sense of how well the power is being transmitted to the road. If you perform a similar analysis for in-gear acceleration (say 80-100 in 3rd gear), then it's a direct measure of the peak power - as this engine would be putting down it's peak power in that RPM range.
By Fiat's own admission, a 140HP multiAir leaves the 170HP Multijet for dead.
And the 170BHP MultiJet auto is barely 6% faster than the 120BHP 1.6 Multijet manual. Even if I consider the auto to add 0.4 seconds to the time (as per the 140BHP manual vs auto timings), I end up with the hypothetical 170BHP manual being just 10% faster than the 120 BHP engine. Seriously?
Another way to look at it - Fiat claims a time of 10.1 seconds for the 170BHP auto, that means about 9.7 for the manual, while we are seeing times of around 11.5 seconds. That's another big delta that is hard to explain.
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Originally Posted by d3mon
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After all, the delivered HP can be calculated really easily.
1/2*mv^2 = Energy of the car at a given speed.
=1/2*1600kg*(27.77m/s) ^2
=617KJ
Hence, if the Compass gets to 100KMPH in 11.5 seconds, the average delivered power to the wheels is 53.6KW, or 72HP. If it gets there in 9 seconds, it is 68.6KW, or 92HP.
With this analysis, the torque or the RPMs don't matter, but we do get a sense of how well the power is being transmitted to the road.
That's another big delta that is hard to explain.
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I just came here after watching some Bugatti Chiron videos for getting over some midnight boredom! But after reading your post, I was totally astonished!
1/2*mv^2 = Energy of the car at a given speed.
=1/2*1996kg*(27.77m/s) ^2
=769KJ
It gets to 100 in 2.5 seconds, so the average power delivered to the road is 307.6KW or 412hp. But they claim that the car has 1500 hypothetical (as per your words) horse power! Could be a big scam? :D Like you said - Torque, spread of torque across rpm range, aerodynamics and more importantly - even gearing would not really matter in such calculations- when it can all be so easily reverse calculated using 1/2 mv^2! :D
On a more serious note - Depending on the above factors, particularly gearing - a car might not even hit 100kmph even if it has 200bhp power with similar weights. It all depends on the driveability that the manufacturer wants to achieve with the engine power and torque on tap. And not all companies develop all products to get better and better 0-100 kmph times. In the case of the Compass diesel, what finally matters is this -
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Slot the gear lever into 1st, let go of the clutch and the SUV starts to crawl at ~8 km/h. Even if you are climbing an incline, the engine will maintain the same speed. Big turbo-diesels seldom have lag and the Compass is no different. Driveability is very good & the engine is city-friendly. Crossing speed breakers in 2nd gear? No problem, there isn't a need to downshift to 1st. In fact, with slight clutch slipping, the Compass can even move away from a standstill in 2nd. While commuting in urban conditions, the engine doesn't feel lugged if spinning at 1,400 - 1,500 revs. This is below the turbo range, yet the big diesel has enough low-end torque to keep the SUV moving in traffic. You won't be downshifting unnecessarily at all.
If you liked the Compass in the city, you'll love it on the open road. The turbo kicks in at ~1,800 rpm and if you listen carefully, you'll hear the turbo singing. There is no mad rush or surge when the turbo is spooling - instead, power delivery is linear in nature. Performance is strong - the 171 horses, solid suspension & nice EPS make the Compass a delight to drive. It feels like a 'tight European package' and can seriously munch miles. The engine offers enjoyable performance, and the mid-range is punchy too for quick overtakes. Don't take the revvs too high though - while it revvs to ~5,000 rpm, the diesel isn't happy post 4,000. You'll hear that typical Fiat diesel drone and well, the 2.0L doesn't have much to offer near the redline anyway. Despite the compact size, the Compass has long legs and is a capable long-distance cruiser. Cruising in 6th gear, 100 km/h is seen at 1,750 rpm while 120 km/h is just above 2,000 rpm. The SUV can do triple digit speeds all day long...and very silently at that! Suggestion = if cruising at 100 km/h on the expressway with a lot of traffic, use 5th as it keeps the engine in turbo zone (2,100 rpm), thus making for quicker overtaking than in 6th.
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Source - Official Review.
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By Fiat's own admission, a 140HP multiAir leaves the 170HP Multijet for dead.
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Or maybe Fiat wants to tell the prospective owners that the 140 HP is better suited in city+highway usage while the 170 bhp is more highway friendly? We must not conclude everything just by looking at 0-100 timings as we almost never indulge in it.
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And the 170BHP MultiJet auto is barely 6% faster than the 120BHP 1.6 Multijet manual. Even if I consider the auto to add 0.4 seconds to the time (as per the 140BHP manual vs auto timings), I end up with the hypothetical 170BHP manual being just 10% faster than the 120 BHP engine. Seriously?
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Again. its quite naive to conclude everything just on the 0-100 timing evidence.
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Another way to look at it - Fiat claims a time of 10.1 seconds for the 170BHP auto, that means about 9.7 for the manual, while we are seeing times of around 11.5 seconds. That's another big delta that is hard to explain.
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I wonder why you didn't consider that delta for the 1.4 multiair engine. The Indian spec is slower by at least 1 sec. This has to do with India specific engine tuning (read: FE) or with the diesel quality.
All in all there is much more in the engine tuning apart from the 0-100 timings.
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