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| ![]() Looking forward for the 220D and 300D review. It's going to be Mercedes Diesel vs BMW Petrol with Audi trying to squeeze in between with its sole 2.0TSi. The Mercedes Diesel specs are too good on paper, hope they do perform on road as well. With lot of buyers preferring Petrol power and Mercedes new pricing model will be interesting to see how market responds. Also with 3/3GL/340i BMW has been able to target buyers from different segments, Mercedes will have to price this well. Last edited by PrideRed : 9th May 2022 at 15:21. |
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| ![]() Great review! The drivetrain with ISG is explained very well. I feel things are getting too risky for a buyer. Companies are willing to throw every available technology into the car just to achieve lower emissions. Cost benefit analysis is completely missing. I think the transition period between now and going full EV is going to be painful for buyers. Neither EV reliability can be trusted nor all this black magic they are adding to ICE can be taken for granted. There are lot of changes under the hood due to this ISG. I don't know about this C class but in general this so called mild hybrid 48 V ISG removes belt and belt driven accessories and uses new type of compressors and pumps etc. It's all good when everything works. When it comes to German brands, first and second generation of anything new will usually be problematic. Just when we Indians are barely getting to afford these premium German brands, the companies, in step with their local sentiments, are going mental with emissions. Do we really need a 1.5L petrol with all this complexity at 70L price range of onroad price. Plus you almost always to buy extended warranty and expensive insurance cover when the car is packed with so much that is just waiting to go wrong. My suggestion is to hold on to pure ICE cars and switch to EVs when the technology is mature. These half-baked complex cars with 1.5L engine is not worth your hard earned money. Buy a BMW 330i - seedhi baat no bakwas |
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Mercedes really needs to price this very attractively and also offer good service packages. We are likely to either see good discounts (not great though given the short supply these days ![]() https://www.overdrive.in/news-cars-a...sion-in-india/ | |
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| ![]() I am surprised how so many are complaining here about the mere "1.4L" engine in a premium car like Mercedes. It's a turbo charged engine, not naturally aspirated engine as everyone knows. So effectively, it's equivalent to a 1.5 x 1.4L = 2.2L legacy NA engine. Very respectable 0-100 time of 7.3. It's something like BMW 323i or 328i (never launched in India probably). It may have reliability issues due to more moving parts (MHEV)? Remember when people complained about when possible turbo reliability issues when Germam started moving from NA to turbo engines? Last checked, except for Audi R8, none of big 3 Germans offer any NA engines today and they sell in millions still. Turbo in my 12 year old Audi still runs great! C200 has a great base engine, great FE. It will be better in every measurable yardstick compared to previous generation C200. Audi 40 TFSI also has around same power. Reminds me of the disdain some pick up truck owners will have for a "mere" 4-cylinder engine in a truck. As of today, the Chevy etc all have base turbo four engines in pick-up today and they beat their six-cylinder NA counterparts. Lastly, Mercedes has always been selling low power base engines in C class and a Merc has never been cheap (duh!). Their 2010 C180, with 2.2L diesel had "mere" 128HP. https://www.auto-data.net/en/mercede...cy-120hp-44276 Not everyone needs under 6s 0-100 in their car, other yardsticks do matter. I think it will be a success. Here is a link about downsizing in trucks from mighty V8s to tiny V6 and how V6 (turbo) wins in every respect. It's a technological improvement in every sense. https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...mparison-test/ Last edited by Axe77 : 9th May 2022 at 21:26. Reason: Minor formatting / spacing edits for improved readability. |
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Do you hear anyone complaining about AMG A45 S having only a 2.0L engine? ![]() Is Mercedes-Benz putting 1.5L engine to delight me? No, they are doing it to meet some crazy emission regulations. Are they putting 48 V technology in 200d for fuel economy? No, they are doing it for all cars as a transition path to full EV platform. If they cared so much about environment, put the EV development on steroids and spare the customer all these high maintenance gimmicks. This car has all the components of an ICE and EV that a customer needs to pay for and maintain without benefiting to the fullest from either technology. I will buy the best ICE car, the best hybrid car or the best EV car for my money. This car is the best of nothing. |
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https://www.auto-data.net/bg/compare...=37064&carId3= Whether they are doing this for environment or not is something I can't comment on though I believe almost every automaker knows by now EVs platform has to be completely different than ICE/MHEV and they have their EQ, but that's off-topic. But again, people looking for upgrade, looking for C-class will buy this car in India (and abroad) is what I mentioned based on its virtues as seen in the link. Last edited by GTO : 10th May 2022 at 07:08. Reason: Don't get personal | |
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| ![]() EU regulations have become so strict about CO2 emissions that manufacturers can no longer sell pure ICE cars in most cases. This mild-hybrid is the cheat code to be emission compliant. Most EU cars will be shipped with this nonsense contraption. It carries very high reliability risks and cost burden without any apparent benefit to the end user. Grab those pure ICE cars before it's too late or wait for a decent EV. ![]() Reminds you of something, doesn't it? At least, DSG is a lot of fun when it works. ![]() Last edited by androdev : 10th May 2022 at 08:49. |
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| ![]() In conversation with Martin Schwenk, MD and CEO Mercedes-Benz India, talks of the new C-Class, its positioning, waiting periods and more. |
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| ![]() Great review. Whenever there is a new design element associated with Mercedes, they do a fantastic job with each new iterations be it exteriors or the interiors. A true luxury brand in my opinion and very unlike the BMW with large gawky grills et al. Having said that, if I am held at a gun point and forced to buy the Bimmer, I'll walk away with 330i because - 1.5L engine and I am in NCR. |
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| ![]() Mercedes-Benz India has launched the new W206 C-class. Prices start from Rs 55 lakh for the C 200 and goes up to Rs 61 lakh for the C 300d. ![]() Deliveries to start this month. Last edited by Venkatesh : 10th May 2022 at 13:09. |
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For example, Skoda would have been roasted for doing this. It's akin to saying imagine your impressions of the other variant. It only has a different engine, suspension setup & interiors ![]() | |
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| ![]() Nice and Crisp Review. Pricing is spot on. Comparing to all other cars sold in India and outside, MB is one manufacturer who keeps minimal difference in costs. A C 200 costs about 36 lakhs in US ex Showroom. In India the starting price is 55 lakhs after our super high govt taxes on automobiles. Comparing the same to Toyota, Hyundai and Honda who have major market in US, the pricing is very reasonable. |
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I would rather buy an A4 along with a VW Virtus 1.5 than having to buy this dud 1.5 Ltr C class aka “Baby Benz”. An Octavia looks like a steal deal here. | |
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