Team-BHP - Mahindra Scorpio-N Review

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Originally Posted by V0id2003 (Post 5824672)

Thar Roxx petrol only comes with RWD , there is no 4x4 as of now.

Its sad for Scorpio N owners , my relative also rejected it 2 months ago due to its short feature list & bare-bones cabin & myself as well but mainly due to the vertical movement & nose dive. This new Thar will definitely cannibalise the sales of the Scorpio N.

If you are coming from non Mahindra vehicles , it would take some time to get used to the snappy nature of that vehicle. It won't feel settled and there is an out of control feel to it.

You need to really tip-toe it, make careful adjustments to all the controls because everything is over servoed. The steering especially has a dual pinion set up with next to no lag, even when loaded and you are hammering it, it would react instantly. It would be similar to the first time you are driving a vehicle with power steering and power brakes.

The best way to understand Scorpio's madness and why it's so wildly popular is to try the Gen 3, 5 speed. You have no electronic nannies like the N that keeps making small adjustments as you drive, Steering is very chatty like the old Ford Ikons, if you can handle that , N would be a breeze.

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Originally Posted by Kosfactor (Post 5824738)

If you are coming from non Mahindra vehicles , it would take some time to get used to the snappy nature of that vehicle. It won't feel settled and there is an out of control feel to it.

It wasn't about the steering feel for me. It was the Body on frame characteristics in general , coming from 2 consecutive dusters ( Diesel Manual & Petrol CVT ) it felt like a huge downgrade in terms of dynamics & ride quality. The brakes felt way too sensitive/sharp and there was a lot of movement even at low speeds in general , nowhere near as composed as a monocoque like the Harrier/Duster.

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Originally Posted by vredesbyrd (Post 5823186)

This might an extremely stupid post but should I consider swapping my Scorpio N with a Thar 5D P 4x4 AT?

Family is saying no but I do want to check it out (at least till the test drives are available).
The feature list makes me want to cry. Mahindra did give us Scorpio N owners the short end of the stick.

I do love the refinement and the way mine handles but the features, the price and petrol 4x4 option does tempt me.

Thar 5D is indeed a very good offering and another winner from Mahindra stable. But I personally feel that both have different customer base. Thar is competing with Gurkha and Jimny while SN takes head-on with D segment SUVs.

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Originally Posted by V0id2003 (Post 5824848)

The brakes felt way too sensitive/sharp and there was a lot of movement even at low speeds in general , nowhere near as composed as a monocoque like the Harrier/Duster.

The movement is a function of being body on frame and it cannot be compared directly to monocoque vehicles, however Scorpio-N rides well for a body on frame.
For the sharp brake bite, it’s due to a feature which Mahindra calls “Brake-prefill”. If the vehicle is at decent speed and suddenly accelerator is released and the braking would be sharp as the system anticipates sudden braking.

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Originally Posted by Rahkehs (Post 5824954)

The movement is a function of being body on frame and it cannot be compared directly to monocoque vehicles

Yes , the first thing I mentioned was that it was Body on Frame characteristics in general & not the Scorpio N.

I was directly upgrading from a monocoque & I am not a hardcore off-roader in any sense so it didn't make sense from my perspective to live with tbe downsides of a lumpy BOF vehicle

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Originally Posted by Rahkehs (Post 5824954)

If the vehicle is at decent speed and suddenly accelerator is released and the braking would be sharp as the system anticipates sudden braking.

I see , my mother has an aggressive driving style , this wouldn't play well with that.

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Originally Posted by vredesbyrd (Post 5824616)

Funny. I have the exact issue with the exact parking sensor (mine came up at 11500 km).

Apparently they want a full day for fault finding. I am sick and tired of service center visits and their slow work. Nothing ever happens in time.

I saw similar error yesterday in 1 of the rear sensors and got replaced within 1 hr under warranty.

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Originally Posted by NT_GT (Post 5823547)

Does Thar Roxx have double wishbone suspension? I haven't heard of it. If not, it means something very important even though it has many new electronically controlled tricks.

EDIT: Both Thar and Thar Roxx have front double wishbone suspension. Thar Roxx has Frequency Dependent Damping also.

Every body on frame vehicle would either have double wishbone suspension for the front, or leaf springs over solid axles. Because the chassis and body are separate, McPherson struts are not easy to deploy on BoFs and usually meant only for monocoques.

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Originally Posted by puneetakhouri (Post 5825875)

It may appear like that but that is not the reason.

In a FWD car the engine & gearbox is transverse mounted, so you do not have much space for a double wishbone system, McPherson strut is preferred right from entry level hatchbacks to some expensive crossovers who follow the FWD format.

There are always exceptions of course.

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Originally Posted by vredesbyrd (Post 5823186)

This might an extremely stupid post but should I consider swapping my Scorpio N with a Thar 5D P 4x4 AT?

I want to go against the tide here, keep the financial aspects and suitability/need aspects aside. If you really like it, you should definitely give a try with a long test drive. If you've no use of 4X4 hardware, go with rwd model but you should definitely do a long test drive and listen to your heart. If it's not suitable for high speed drives? Okay, limit yourself to 90kmph but you will still have fun.

Lets say you sell scorpio N and buy the Thar 5 door(I will not call it as roxx), what worse can happen? You may lose couple of lacs to correct the decision, hope you can recover from it in couple of months. Only advise I've is, sleep on the decision and wait for 6 months for real life reviews. Do not trust all these ads posing as reviews on youtube.

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Originally Posted by Kosfactor (Post 5824738)

Sorry for asking abruptly but which gen 3 are you talking about? I have driven a 2013 mhawk and as far as I remember it was a six speed but with a different pattern in comparison to my Duster.

And yes to me the Scorpio madness seems justified as the car(or jeep) feels literally like a driver's Truck and in fact the owner of the above mentioned Scorpio upgraded to a Scorpio N Z8 which he is not a big fan as he feels it to be fragile in comparison to the 2013 .rl:

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Originally Posted by vredesbyrd (Post 5823186)

This might an extremely stupid post but should I consider swapping my Scorpio N with a Thar 5D P 4x4 AT?

I'm quite surprised that you're open to buying a freshly baked new Mahindra despite facing niggles with your Scorpio. A cousin's new AX7L XUVs alternator stopped charging on its first road trip, the car isn't even a few months old at the moment. I wouldn't suggest getting a first batch Thar.

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Originally Posted by vredesbyrd (Post 5823186)

This might an extremely stupid post but should I consider swapping my Scorpio N with a Thar 5D P 4x4 AT?

I think that Roxx will impact the used ScorpioN market. That along with the further depreciation of ScorpioN and post-introductory price of Roxx, you'll be taking a non-insignificant hit if you wait a year or two to make the switch.

I think you should go for it if you like the product. Mahindra electronics will always be half-baked. If you don't really care about jeeps or money, wait for upgraded ScorpioN before making a decision.

Just did a round trip in my N P AT from Bangalore to Tirupati and back.

Bangalore to Tirupati
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total distance covered: 237 KM
duration: approx 4 hrs.
MID mileage: 13 KMPL
cruise enabled: 70% of the time

Tirupati to Bangalore
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total distance covered: 236 KM
duration: approx 5 hrs
MID mileage: 11 KMPL
cruise enabled: 40% of the time

cruise was set to around +95KM where the RPMs where 1750 - 1900. Average MID reading would be 12 KMPL, but that would have meant I should get 600 KM in range. I do not think I would have gotten this.