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![]() Just want to reiterate this - I am informed by Thomas that he got a call from Mahindra Regional Customer Care manager offering to get the vehicle inspected at Mangalore Service center but he is yet to consider this offer since He wants the inspection to take place at his presence; so he checked if the vehicle could be shipped to Cochin for further investigation. They are considering this request and haven't reverted to him. From my previous post, the one after he took the opinion of the insurance surveyor, would be interested to know if the rear left wheel has played a part in this. Now I understand that Mahindra is yet to inspect the vehicle. So Either Mr Srinivas has concluded everything using the email and comments in this thread or they might have some kind of magic crystal ball that gives all the answers ![]() Quote:
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| ![]() I would like to thank all those who have been posting theirs views and advising us in this thread. Also my special thanks to TEAM-BHP for approving my membership and to my friend Glen for initiating this thread and posting reviews on my mishap on this forum. I and my friends are yet to recover from the shock of the accident. At the same time we are so grateful to the almighty for performing such a miraculous rescue. At the outset, it looked like a case of aquaplaning as it was drizzling and there was a suspected puddle of water on the road. But on proper inspection of the spot a few days later,it was found that there was no scope for water logging at that location as the road had a proper inclination to the edge through which the rain water was drained off to the creek besides the road. Later on inspecting the vehicle,we were startled to find that, the rear left tyre of the vehicle is completely worn out whereas the rest of the tyres were in pretty good shape while both the rear tyres had the same tread levels before the start of the journey.And when we couple this with the fact that the vehicle moving amiably in a perfectly straight road, spun around the axis of the rear left tyre at the time of accident, without any apparent provocations whatsoever,leads us to suspect that the jamming of the rear left tyre triggered the vehicle spin off at the time of the mishap. And what saddens me the most is the fact that, being an ardent Mahindra loyalist and presently owning two of their vehicles and have previously owned four of their vehicles, is the apathy and insensitivity Mahindra has shown in this case by responding to my calls and queries after more than a weeks deliberation, that too in a nonchalant manner. As it is evident from the mail Mr.Sriniwas of Mahindra has posted earlier in the thread, their attempt is to hastily arrive at a favourable conclusion by brushing aside blatant nonconformities like the failed deployment of airbags,failure of traction control etc without even conducting a preliminary technical inspection of the vehicle and purely based on the views shared in the forum and my mail sent to them. |
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| ![]() Sorry to disagree. Jamming of rear left tyre would have had more than sufficient inputs available to driver of vehicle. Totally bald tyre in few kilometres can be result of totally misaligned or toe in/out setting. But this can be inferred from tyre inspection even now. Again this sort of setup would have prompted the feedback on wheel of the car. Till now no such input is received from anyone. Aquaplaning is not just puddles but also film of water running across the road surface. Anyone considered muddy surface? Cattle crossing typically results in this. One aspect is why vehicle control was lost. Second aspect is speeds at which is was travelling when incident occurred. Third aspect is impact, deployment of air bags etc. and damage to body shell. |
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First of all, we are very happy to hear that no fatalities occurred in this crash. Thank you for coming up to this forum and explaining your side of the story. Now we get a clear picture of what exactly happened. If you can, kindly answer the below queries -
We understand your concern regarding the side airbags not working but have you thought about what would have happened if the rear passengers were not belted and the airbags got activated? They would be thrown towards the side in the direction of the airbags. The airbags filled with explosive material meanwhile will inflate at a speed of 300 km/h towards the direction of the rear seat occupants. Not a very pleasant situation. I am not saying that the XUV will not activate the airbags if the belts are not worn, that is still undecided! But in a way, why do you want the Airbags to work when it was not needed? Last edited by raj_5004 : 10th August 2015 at 10:06. | |
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It's understandable that the ESP couldn't do anything while the vehicle was aquaplaning (as the tyres have no contact with the road). However, aquaplaning has nothing to do with the deployment of side airbags. The airbags should have activated in such a serious accident. Just look at one of the headrests and how its popped out of the window! God forbid, it could've been someone's head. Quote:
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The biggest doubt in my view is that the side airbags didnt deploy even after hitting the tree. The side of the car shows its caved in, which mean rapid de-acceleration. ONly Mahindra can confirm if it was enough for airbag to deploy. But in my view as long as the impact is strong enough to bend the the body, it should deploy. Only other explanation left is that since the car had already toppled before hitting the tree, maybe the airbag sensor/wiring something got damaged and resulted in non deployment. Quote:
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However your point about rear tyre being ok and then wore off rapidly doesnt make sense. How much distance had you driven? If there was a major jam in the tyre, did you feel the drag on the steering wheel? a left pull or something. A tyre that wears off after 50000 kms, cant just got bald within few hundred kms without impacting the driving characteristics of the car or sound of jammed brakes or worn bearing. Last edited by supertinu : 10th August 2015 at 17:42. | |||
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Glad that all of you came out safe from this and hope Mahindra will keep up their reputation of being customer friendly and do the appropriate in this situation. Quote:
Also the photos shows that the rear quarter panel hit the coconut tree. This could have resulted in the cave in of the top portion. If that's case, is there a possibility that the sensor placement for curtain airbags vs the point of impact played a role in not deploying the air bags ? Quote:
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Thanks for the above link. I remember reading it and thank god the OP is alive and well. Quick synopsis: - Car is on a curve, doing around 80 KMPH - Gets clipped by a tempo at the rear - Car spins, goes over the bridge, topples & end up on its roof - OP escapes with injuries, none of which are serious and / life threatening OP questions: - Airbags did not open. Why? - Did the sturdy contsruction of car save him? - Why did ABS not help? My unqualified opinion: - There was no frontal impact. Hence no deployment. If it were equipped with curtain airbags; this would still be a very valid question - I think the car's construction has a LOT to do with the fact that he was able to walk away - ABS kicks in whilst braking only. The brakes were not engaged when the truck hit him. The car was already in a spin. Something like ESP / TC might have helped, although I am not too sure how helpful it would have been in a situation where: - You are at a turn carrying a fair bit of speed - Are hit at an angle from behind by a truck that weighs TONS. The sheer force of it must be overwhelming for a hatch Despite all of the above, the occupant walks away. Nice! Since I have reviewed the link you had so nicely asked me to review; I would like a similar favour from you. Please look at the below link and let me know what you think. This one BTW is from one of the largest car manufacturers in Hindustan: http://auto.ndtv.com/news/now-maruti...h-tests-688031 In case you do not have the free time like I do, here are some excerpts from the news link: - Indian Swift model failed the test even before the crash happened. The crash analysis showed the crash-test-dummies having sustained near-fatal injuries, more so in the case of the driver - The car's structural integrity was also deemed as unstable - And this is a key point, given the made-in-Europe Swift has a much sturdier structure and had achieved a 5-Star crash certification from Euro-NCAP I am curious. What do you think of this Indian manufacturer's (one of the highest selling) offerings ...... which provide a sturdy, safe cocoon for another country's customers, but sells death traps for families in its homeland I am happy to be oblivious to all the niceties our Indian manufacturers have to offer and continue to live in blissful ignorance | |
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Thank you Raj. * The speed of the vehicle must have been around 90 kms ,as it went out of control * It was drzzling at that moment * Both front seat belts and the rear left seat belts were worn * I had conducted the wheel alignment correction and wheel condition inspection from the authorised Mahindra service centre in Kochi, one day prior to the journey.The rear left tyre was in decent condition at the start of the trip, but upon inspection post the accident,it was found to be bald. Quote:
Since the inspection we must have covered roughly 850 kms from Kochi to Goa and around 400 kms back from there. Since the beginning of the return journey we experienced a slight left pulling though. Last edited by Technocrat : 11th August 2015 at 23:36. Reason: back to back posts merged, thanks | ||
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XUV's manual mentions that the side airbags will open only in a side impact. This is what needs further analysis now. Also, the XUV was recalled to update the side airbags software? Did you get that done on your car? As GTO mentioned above, if it was a tyre jamming incident, the tyre treads will scrape in just the portion which was in contact with the road. The remaining tread should look good. It is not possible that the whole tread will be eaten up because of alignment issues in one day and because of the tyre getting jammed. | |
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I remember him mentioning about the recalls that Mahindra made during the earlier days. His vehicle had gone in for service the day before he took the vehicle for the trip. | |
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That was my problem with your original blanket statement about Indian manufacturers. I am well aware of what maruti does and even companies like Nissan for India spec models. Hence the reason I dont intend to own one of those of models in near future. Quote:
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| ![]() One quick question, having a full time 4WD in this situation helps? Or you still have the same risk of aquaplaning. |
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