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Old 13th November 2018, 10:17   #1
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Default Global NCAP expects first 5-Star rated car from India before year end Edit: It's the Nexon

GNCAP Secretary General David Ward says he is pleased with the progress on crash safety made in India so far, and that a 5-star car is not too far away.

“We have seen extraordinary progress in the last year with a lot of significant cars coming in as two, three, four stars. We’re going to get some very good 4-star results. I think before the end of the year it’s quite likely we’ll see the first 5-star car.”

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Given that end of the year is 45 days away, it begs the question, which car is he talking about? Previous Aspire scored 4 stars, but with just 2 airbags except the highest variant, it is difficult to think that it will be able to make the leap to 5. Yaris could be a potential candidate. As could Harrier, if its equipped with 6 airbags as standard.
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Previous Aspire scored 4 stars, but with just 2 airbags except the highest variant, it is difficult to think that it will be able to make the leap to 5.
Sorry, that's wrong. Aspire scored 3 stars with the bodyshell integrity rated as unstable.

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Yaris could be a potential candidate.
Could be - Given the fact that it has all those seven airbags as standard.

But I guess this thread is a bit too early - There is no confirmation that a 5-star car has been tested yet!
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GNCAP ....As could Harrier, if its equipped with 6 airbags as standard.
Even I think Tata Harrier could be the first 5-star hero. Since it's said (speculated) to be equipped with some of the JLR tech, I sincerely hope that it sets the benchmark with the 5-star rating. But end of this year? May be not.
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Probably the Yaris. May be Toyota themselves want to get it tested, get a 5 Star Score and use it for some good publicity in an attempt to boost the falling sales.

Considering the Etios itself did well in the crash tests, Toyota may be confident enough that if the Yaris is tested it will get a 5 Star Rating.
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But I guess this thread is a bit too early - There is no confirmation that a 5-star car has been tested yet!
The secretary general is not likely to put forward such a comment without knowing the details. There are 45 days remaining in the year. It would be safe to assume such tests would already have been conducted.

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But end of this year? May be not.
There were spy shots of Harrier in what looked like a crash test setting. And don't be surprised if they use it as a heavy marketing tool to increase bookings.
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Default Re: Global NCAP secretary general expects first 5-Star rated car from India before year end

Likely candidates IMHO. Also remember, it doesn't have to necessarily be a new launch. The Etios got its 4-star rating years after being introduced.

Toyota Yaris
Toyota Innova Crysta?
Made-In-India Jeep Compass?
Tata Harrier
Tata Hexa?
Hyundai Verna?
A Kia or MG (although they're some time away)?
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This is the forerunner (of requirements) to the 5 star rated car.

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Toyota Yaris
Toyota Innova Crysta?
Made-In-India Jeep Compass?
Tata Harrier
Tata Hexa?
Hyundai Verna?
A Kia or MG (although they're some time away)?
I don't think a car with anything less than 6 airbags(and ofcourse other active safety features) can get a 5 star as per current NCAP standards. And usually they test the base model. That will knock off the CRYSTA, COMPASS, HEXA & VERNA as their base models have only 2/3 airbags.

YARIS has a probability

HARRIER maybe if it comes with 6 airbags standard.

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---And usually they test the base model. That will knock off the CRYSTA, COMPASS, HEXA & VERNA as their base models have only 2/3 airbags.--
This test for the 5 Star rated car is likely to be a top spec.variant, and taken as an exception.

From the opening post link,

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However, it is also likely that the 5-star rated car will not be a base-spec version – as is the norm in Global NCAP tests – but a fully loaded one with all safety features.

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Does the availability of ESP or VSC/VSM or any variant of it on a vehicle have any impact on the safety rating.

For example, Hyundai Verna SX(O), Honda City ZX variants have 6 airbags but not ESP feature. AT versions of Vento and Rapid have 4 Airbags with ESP, while Yaris has 7 airbags and VSC. Creta SX(O) has 6 airbags with VSM/ESP and few with 2 airbags and ESP like Duster RXZ AWD, AMT versions and Ciaz Alpha AT. Just mentioning vehicles around 15 Lakhs.

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Default Re: Global NCAP secretary general expects first 5-Star rated car from India before year end

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Likely candidates IMHO. Also remember, it doesn't have to necessarily be a new launch. The Etios got its 4-star rating years after being introduced.

Toyota Yaris
Toyota Innova Crysta?
Made-In-India Jeep Compass?
Tata Harrier
Tata Hexa?
Hyundai Verna?
A Kia or MG (although they're some time away)?
The Verna (Accent as it is known in international markets) already gets a 5* rating in ANCAP.


https://www.ancap.com.au/safety-rati.../accent/8b6b31

Not sure about the Indian variants though, but logically it should be the same here since we also get 6 airbags, though few other features (that don't matter for the ratings?) are missing.
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Default Global NCAP Requirements for 5-star rating

Unlike Euro-NCAP or Australasian-NCAP, Global NCAP doesn't award a combined overall star rating. Instead it tests and rates vehicle for Adult Occupant Safety and Child Occupant Safety separately.

I am attaching copies of the relevant assessment criteria as used by GNCAP.

Normally the latest assessment protocol/criteria are always uploaded in the respective NCAP website. Currently on GNCAP website, for adult occupant protection, the latest version is "Version 1.0, August 2017". Assuming we are referring to 5-star rating for Adult occupant protection, following is the criteria:

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3.3 Scoring & Visualisation

The protection provided for adults for each body region are presented visually, using coloured segments within body outlines. The colour used is based on the points awarded for that body region (rounded to three decimal places), as follows:

Green 4.000 points
Yellow 2.670 - 3.999 points
Orange 1.330 - 2.669 points
Brown 0.001 - 1.329 points
Red 0.000 points

For frontal impact, the body regions are grouped together, with the score for the grouped body region being that of the worst performing region or limb. Results are shown separately for driver and passenger. The grouped regions are:

- Head and Neck,
- Chest,
- Knee, Femur, Pelvis (i.e. left and right femur and knee slider)
- Leg and Foot (i.e. left and right lower leg and foot and ankle).

The contribution of the frontal impact test to the Adult Occupant Protection Score is calculated by summing the body scores for the relevant body regions, taking the lower of the driver and passenger scores. The total achievable score is 17.00 points and the overall scores are then used to generate star ratings as follows:

Frontal Impact:
  • 14.00 – 16.00 points + 1 point SBR + 4ch ABS + ECE95* --> 5 stars
  • 11.00 – 13.99 points --> 4 stars
  • 8.00 – 10.99 points --> 3 stars
  • 5.00 – 7.99 points --> 2 stars
  • 2.00 – 4.99 points --> 1 star
  • 0.00 – 1.99 points --> 0 stars

*To be eligible for 5 stars the car must score over 14 points in the ODB test (after application of modifiers).

In addition, it must have the full point on SBR, 4 Channel ABS and offer some side impact performance protection. To demonstrate the latter, a MDB test must be sponsored by the manufacturer on an actual Global NCAP market car of the identical specification as the frontal crash car according to the test specification of ECE R95. The MDB test would need to be performed even in cases where under the regulatory requirements the vehicle would be exempted due to various reasons, for example seating position. In order to qualify for 5 stars, the performance criteria of ECE95 should be met. The test results may be published by Global NCAP. Where the car is equipped with a side protection airbag (curtain or thorax side airbag) the airbags should be standard fitted.

In order to avoid the highly undesirable situation of a vehicle gaining a rating of multiple stars when an important body region is poorly protected, the rating will be limited to no more than 1 star regardless of the total number of points scored.
Basically this means that for vehicles which are already rated 4 stars, for them to reach 5-star rating, only the following are required:
  • Achieve a score greater than 14.00 for front offset-deformable barrier (ODB).
    -- Currently none of the 4-star rated cars have a score greater than 14.00
    -- Nexon has the highest score of 13.56, but this would be including SBR score for driver seat.
    -- Having driver knee airbag helps for better score in front ODB test. Yaris has an advantage here.
  • 4-Channel ABS
  • Seat belt reminder (SBR) for all front row seats
  • Conformity to a side impact crash test using a Moving Deformable Barrier (MDB): The vehicle would ideally need side and curtain airbags to pass the same.

Other safety features like ESP, SBR for rear seat or any of the passive/active ADAS systems are not mandatory at the moment for achieving a 5-star rating as per GNCAP. This is not particularly tough to achieve and far less stringent than the ENCAP, ANCAP or IIHS ratings.

To be able to achieve 5-star rating for entire model line-up base car will need to be tested. Else if manufacturer is happy to sponsor the test and rate a higher spec variant or one with safety pack option, they may do so also. The model will then have two ratings, one for the base variant and one for the higher spec/safety-pack variant.

So the Yaris looks more likely to be the manufactured in India vehicle that could achieve 5-star rating across its variant range for adult occupant protection.

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Does the availability of ESP or VSC/VSM or any variant of it on a vehicle have any impact on the safety rating.
As of now, for achieving 5-star rating in G-NCAP test, availability of ESP is not mandatory, nor rewarded with additional points.

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The Verna (Accent as it is known in international markets) already gets a 5* rating in ANCAP.

Not sure about the Indian variants though, but logically it should be the same here since we also get 6 airbags, though few other features (that don't matter for the ratings?) are missing.
Not quite because Hyandai did downgrade the Indian i20 "New platform" compared to the original.
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Nope..its not the Yaris as many predicted. It is the Nexon!Well done Tata.What an underdog to the alternatives being discussed here.


Surprised none here routed for the Nexon.

http://www.globalncap.org/global-nca...ia-tata-nexon/

Request to Mods: Please edit title to reveal Tata Nexon as the car that got it.

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The Yaris in South Africa is one of the poorly rated cars. There was some discussion on why it is a far cry from the European model. The Nexon feels solid and has claimed its rightful spot. By all fairness, it should do Brezza numbers!
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