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Originally Posted by saket77 (Post 5968667)
You can head to NDTV.com as I stated a few posts before. No sensationalism there and no 'report and retract' since yesterday unlike many other mainstream news channels.

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Originally Posted by RaghuVis (Post 5968656)
I cannot believe I am saying this, but NDTV is refreshingly normal these days. I think Journalist Shiv Aroor has quickly transformed the editorial policy of the channel and it is clearly seen. There has been no unverified sensationalism of the Jingoistic type since the last 2 days.

Really surprised to hear this because AFAIK He, Shiv Aroor, was definitely the flag bearer of unnecessary sensationalism and jingoism at times before he joined NDTV.
I will check out his current avatar. But won't completely trust it since it's super easy to censor any part of that channel because of its current ownership. NDTV was normal before, I expected it to go the Republic route of 'useless noise' after the ownership change. But if that didn't happen, I will check it out.

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Originally Posted by DasAuto1985 (Post 5968588)
Oh yes Al jazeera knows what journalism is. Being neutral is rule no. 1 in journalism and all these you mentioned are epitomes of neutrality aren't they. "Tell the news channel you follow and i will tell your ideology" and anyone following these news outlets aren't going to be very happy with India's response. Speaking for myself, in these times I would rather watch the "loud circus" than sophisticated treachery.

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Originally Posted by HarKag (Post 5968605)
I would rather watch our own " loud circus" channels than these so called sophisticated journalistic standard western media. Atleast our channels dont spread anti India propaganda.

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Originally Posted by kaps454 (Post 5968616)
Al Jazeera is more polished, might appeal to your tastes more, but it is also dishes out heavily biased one sided view of complex stories, like our news channels do, but in a crass way. So much so for its journalistic credentials.

The problem is whenever international media says anything that is contrary to the Indian government position or Indian media, they are labelled as biased, anti-national, non-credible, etc. If the same media says anything negative about our neighbours, nobody questions them.

The belief that our media alone is truthful and credible and everyone else runs propaganda against our country is wrong. This applies not just to the media but other institutions as well. Not questioning would lead to erosion of credibility and accountability in the long run.

As I said earlier, I don't think all western media is 100% perfect but atleast their standards of journalism is far higher than Indian media. Many of us don't have a problem with western universities but when it comes to western media, suddenly there is hate and negativity.

In the US, senators can question army generals and top officials without anyone accusing those senators of siding with the enemies. John Mc Cain was one such senator who acted tough on US military leaders because he believed that military leaders had an even greater responsibility to explain themselves, because they were putting American lives at risk and representing the nation’s values overseas.

Such a thing is unimaginable in India. Why? Asking questions is not betraying the country, demanding accountability is not treachery, believing any institution blindly is not patriotism.

Too much jingoism and misinformation in our Indian news outlets. If one is to go by Arnab Goswamis Republic news channel, India has been begun a full scale war against Pakistan. Much has been spoken about our fighter plane(s) going down during May 7 strikes against terrorist targets. I feel from the lack of firm denial on Indian side and Pakistan on the other hand claiming they shot 5 planes and 1 drone, the real figure is between 0 and 5. My best guess is we lost 1 french and 1 russian jet but the pilots ejected safely. Because the death of a pilot cannot be hidden for long.

My humble request to everyone - There will be disproportionate losses on both sides as the conflict escalates. So, don't make a big deal out of the losses inflicted, equipments destroyed etc., Pakistans' very soul was carved out of anti-india sentiments and right now they are doing what they were created for - conflict with India.

For the people like me, who don't like to waste time on repetitive and sensory overload news, I suggest the subreddit r/IndianDefense . People there are pretty knowledgeable, the strict moderation also ensures that only cross-verified posts are present.
Although, like everything else, it isn't difficult to find biases. But still, it's better than most other sources.

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Originally Posted by AirbusCapt (Post 5968591)
Lets wait for our armed forces official news brief. Mostly at 4pm today. Until then the speculative news coming out is this:

Karachi port attacked and destroyed/heavily damaged
Lahore, and a couple of ancillary cities defenses hit
Quetta captured by Baloch liberation army. Baloch flags replacing Paki ones
Most of Pakistan's drone and air defense sites taken out
2 F16/3 JF17 airplanes shot down. Possibly one pilot captured.

Again all this is news and only the MEA briefing will confirm the same.


A major update: pakistani awacs aircraft was shot down by an indian missile. If this is true, pakistan lose all strategic edge in the sky.

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Originally Posted by AirbusCapt (Post 5968695)
A major update: pakistani awacs aircraft was shot down by an indian missile. If this is true, pakistan lose all strategic edge in the sky.

It’s there in the news:

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/stor...855-2025-05-08

Hopefully there will be a de-escalation and this will end.

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Originally Posted by CarNerd (Post 5968691)
In the US, senators can question army generals and top officials without anyone accusing those senators of siding with the enemies. John Mc Cain was one such senator who acted tough on US military leaders because he believed that military leaders had an even greater responsibility to explain themselves, because they were putting American lives at risk and representing the nation’s values overseas.

Such a thing is unimaginable in India. Why? Asking questions is not betraying the country, demanding accountability is not treachery, believing any institution blindly is not patriotism.

1. We can question our government and army too. But those are for when the dust has settled and peace has prevailed. Not in the midst of a crisis.

2. Other than Pearl Harbour, has there been any military attacks on mainland USA? Not that am aware of, would be happy to be corrected. Everything else has been USA going on the offensive for various reasons. Ofcourse, the people and their representatives will question sending people to a war done for strategic/political/policing purposes. Us? Did we go on offensive anytime? We are defending ourselves. We have to secure our borders and don't have the need to represent nation's values overseas through armed forces, since we are busy defending borders, not going on overseas missions for political purposes.

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Originally Posted by CarNerd (Post 5968691)

In the US, senators can question army generals and top officials without anyone accusing those senators of siding with the enemies. John Mc Cain was one such senator who acted tough on US military leaders because he believed that military leaders had an even greater responsibility to explain themselves, because they were putting American lives at risk and representing the nation’s values overseas.

Such a thing is unimaginable in India. Why? Asking questions is not betraying the country, demanding accountability is not treachery, believing any institution blindly is not patriotism.

They have a different governing executive and legislative structure. The military rolls up to MoD in operational matters. And MoD is ultimately accountable to the PM and further to the parliament.

If IPL is being suspended it means there will be a long drawn war, would recommend everyone to ensure adequate stock of essential medicines, especially imported ones like some insulins.

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Originally Posted by 458 (Post 5968710)
If IPL is being suspended it means there will be a long drawn war, would recommend everyone to ensure adequate stock of essential medicines, especially imported ones like some insulins.

I think the idea was more to not have non-essential entertainment like the IPL going on when the nation is facing up to such a serious situation. So I think it is better we don't panic buy because that might result in shortages for people who really need those products?

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Originally Posted by DicKy (Post 5968702)
1. We can question our government and army too. But those are for when the dust has settled and peace has prevailed. Not in the midst of a crisis.

I never said we should question them right now. I said that US army generals are often questioned publically by senators. You can watch senators grilling them on TV and it's all normal for them. Even Billionaires and CEOs are grilled by senators. Is such a thing possible in India? Can a MP in India, whether from the government or the opposition question anyone from the army in front of everyone in peace time? Can a MP question any Indian billionaire or CEO on TV? No.

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Originally Posted by 458 (Post 5968710)
If IPL is being suspended it means there will be a long drawn war, would recommend everyone to ensure adequate stock of essential medicines, especially imported ones like some insulins.

IPL being suspended is not an indicator of how long military offensives and hostilities are going to last. In the interest of safety of the players, officials & spectators, the prudent thing to do is to cancel/suspend sporting activities. I wouldn't encourage panic buying just because we don't have clarity on IPL yet.

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Originally Posted by CarNerd (Post 5968691)
As I said earlier, I don't think all western media is 100% perfect but atleast their standards of journalism is far higher than Indian media.

Let me repeat what I said in an earlier post, neither Western media nor Indian media are a single ideological entity. There are Left wing (LW) and RW media everywhere. Fox News is not equal to CNN nor is Republic TV same as The Hindu.

It was not a routine "mistake/accident" that the unconfirmed news of Rafale jets being shot down on 7-May, appeared in The Hindu (before they deleted it). It was pure confirmation bias at work. On the other hand, there are videos of Sky News Australia anchors grilling Pakistan's ministers on their dubious claims.

To say that all of western media has higher standards is absurd. Everyone has their biases and ideologies. On any issue (not only about India) it's easy to predict what narrative NYT/CNN/Guardian/The Hindu/The Wire etc would push.

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Originally Posted by DigitalOne (Post 5968575)
Just as humans are, media organizations also has biases and ideologies which they espouse. The world (and so is the media) is primarily divided on two ideologies, what is called as Left-wing and Right-wing.


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Originally Posted by CarNerd (Post 5968691)

As I said earlier, I don't think all western media is 100% perfect but atleast their standards of journalism is far higher than Indian media. Many of us don't have a problem with western universities but when it comes to western media, suddenly there is hate and negativity.

What is the benchmark for journalism standards when we compare Western (developed world) media with India's ? Speaking in polished english as opposed to our loudmouths ? or debating in a calm, non-provocative manner vs. our heated debates ? Who decides those benchmarks ? The west ? Sorry to say, their quality of delivery might be on higher side, but the standards or journalism are at par with any part of the world.

We need to get smart and look beyond 'how' a news or information is presented and focus more on 'What' is dished out by the west (and also by us), however clean it might look.

The Western media has been on the forefront of spreading misinformation since the hour Operation Sindoor started. They have subtly tried to say India is the one who is doing wrong things its innocent neighbor. They have also been writing about planes being shot down, about Pakistani dominance without any concrete evidence in a lame attempt to keep the narrative on their side.

At this point, I feel DD News is the one channel to follow on Youtube. The news are presented in a right sequence with right time given for each topic.

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Originally Posted by AZT (Post 5968451)
This was an interesting choice of words. I think we could have gotten ahead of the curve by saying we lost a few jets, which also provides Pakistan with a de-escalation ladder: 'They attacked us, we shot down their jets.' I think if this was 1 jet, we may have gone this route. We've lost more than we are willing to admit, which is bad for both sides.

Now, it's all about saving face and ego—rationality, economics, and logic all go out the window when that happens. I expect Pak to milk this and get some concessions from the US.

Well I think you are way off the mark as far as the Art of War goes. In information warfare, perception is the battlefield.

If the news damages Pakistan, true of false, amplify it, multiply it, post it, share it. Make it viral. Let panic spread across border.

If the news harms India, even if true, bury it, suppress it and disarm it before it spreads and lowers the moral of the soldiers standing in the line of fire.

This is NOT journalism. This is WAR. Psychological warfare wins half the battles. Consider every post as a bullet and NEVER fire at your own country.

The Holier-than-thou image is best left for discussions in the TV Channel studios. Remember there are no runner ups in the battle. The Winner takes it all.


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