Shopkeeper not ready to give cash receipt of the Item sold.

greatDrive · 14th November 2007, 21:17

Hi all,

Generally, we don't ask bills, cash memos etc for the purchases we do on small general stores etc, and these shopkeepers get away from sale-tax, income-tax etc.

Today I went to a general street mobile shop for recharging my wife's mobile. Paid the amount and asked for the Bill, The shopkeeper just gave me a paper with amount written on his cheap letter head, which was not having any details about sale-tax number etc. when I asked for a proper bill, he simply said "No, we cannot give Bills for recharge coupons."
This was a surprise to me. I always used to get proper bills whereever I used to recharge my cell. This shopkeeper was so reluctant to give the bill that he even asked me to return the coupon and purchase from somewhere else.

Is there a way to teach a lesson to these kind of people who always try to get away with bill etc. Is there a "Greivence cell" in bangalore who can take a complaint against these kind of people and act upon.

Thanks in advance.
GD

Nitin · 14th November 2007, 21:35

Thats wierd. There's something fishy there.
Correct me if I'm wrong,but isn't it a rule that every item sold from a shop/store had/should be accounted for?So issuing a receipt is necessary. If the owner was trying to get away with any kind of tax payments,he ought to be taken to task.

Does this qualify as some type of fraudulence? Does the Lok Ayuktha deal with such issues?

I remember something like this happening many years ago, when my dad & I went to buy some things from a hardware shop.The guy flatly refused to give a receipt, though we'd bought stuff worth Rs 200. I could have imagined not being issued a receipt for something under Rs 10-15.

FERRO · 14th November 2007, 23:27

Most general stores (90% baniya marwadis) getaway with cheap paper bill no matter which item u buy whether it costs 10rs or 1000rs they never pay taxes

tifosikrishna · 14th November 2007, 23:32

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Originally Posted by FERRO

Most general stores (90% baniya marwadis) getaway with cheap paper bill no matter which item u buy whether it costs 10rs or 1000rs they never pay taxes

even the biggest of jewelry shops in chennai just give you an "estimate" in lieu of receipt. what do you say for that?

wolfinstein · 14th November 2007, 23:38

I think with a Recharge voucher, the bill is generally not needed since the Tax is already paid and accounted for, Not seen anyone issuing a bill for it- Even when you do a E-charge or Direct Debit Charge for Ebanking, You still don't recieve it.

However with everyother good, A bill should be issued. After all

Tax collection fuel the development of the Country.

bottle · 14th November 2007, 23:43

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Originally Posted by tifosikrishna

even the biggest of jewelry shops in chennai just give you an "estimate" in lieu of receipt. what do you say for that?

usually when our family shops i get the estimate and then a proper bill at the cashier

mail4ajo · 14th November 2007, 23:58

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Originally Posted by wolfinstein

Tax collection fuel the development of the Country.

Why do we all buy our electronics, cameras and even superbikes etc from the grey market?? Why underquote property prices on the registration document? Why not buy with bill by paying the full taxes? Cost more with bill, doesn't it?

I believe, if we cannot answer the above question, we have no right to ask for a bill. Whats wrong with the seller not giving bill to avoid taxes?

Nitin · 15th November 2007, 00:57

If you buy something from a reliable & well known shop,its quite normal to expect a receipt.If its from some dingy place in some market,then its absolutely ok to buy something without a bill/receipt.
Eitherways,the only way a receipt comes in handy,is if something goes wrong with the purchased item,and some sort of compensation/replacement is needed.

khaadu75 · 15th November 2007, 01:39

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Originally Posted by mail4ajo

Why do we all buy our electronics, cameras and even superbikes etc from the grey market?? Why underquote property prices on the registration document? Why not buy with bill by paying the full taxes? Cost more with bill, doesn't it?

I believe, if we cannot answer the above question, we have no right to ask for a bill. Whats wrong with the seller not giving bill to avoid taxes?

... well said my friend !!

msdivy · 15th November 2007, 09:32

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Originally Posted by wolfinstein

I think with a Recharge voucher, the bill is generally not needed since the Tax is already paid and accounted for, Not seen anyone issuing a bill for it- Even when you do a E-charge or Direct Debit Charge for Ebanking, You still don't recieve it.

Airtel shops issue bill for even Rs 10/- E-Charge.

amohit · 15th November 2007, 10:03

Wasnt VAT supposed to solve this problem??

greatDrive · 15th November 2007, 10:37

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Originally Posted by amohit

Wasnt VAT supposed to solve this problem??

I think, All taxes, including VAT is included in the recharge coupon cost.

anuragn · 15th November 2007, 11:58

Agreed that all taxes are already included in the MRP.
But the problem in case of recharge vouchers is that the commission that the shopkeeper earns is "his" income and by not giving receipt, he saves "his" income tax.

amohit · 15th November 2007, 12:06

no i meant wasnt VAT suppose to solve the problem of saving sales tax by not generating bills.

m8002? · 15th November 2007, 12:23

Ajo,
I think there is a lot of difference between what you said and the original post. Would you buy a sony TV from the grey market( without bill of course ) if he quotes the same price as the sony world outlet.

In the case you mentioned, you are taking a calculated risk and getting a discount. I dont think he got a discount on the voucher.

So, i feel the seller is wrong in refusing a bill where there is no "tangible" benefit for you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mail4ajo

Why do we all buy our electronics, cameras and even superbikes etc from the grey market?? Why underquote property prices on the registration document? Why not buy with bill by paying the full taxes? Cost more with bill, doesn't it?

I believe, if we cannot answer the above question, we have no right to ask for a bill. Whats wrong with the seller not giving bill to avoid taxes?

14th November 2007, 21:17	#1
greatDrive BHPian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 547 Thanked: 7 Times	Shopkeeper not ready to give cash receipt of the Item sold. Hi all, Generally, we don't ask bills, cash memos etc for the purchases we do on small general stores etc, and these shopkeepers get away from sale-tax, income-tax etc. Today I went to a general street mobile shop for recharging my wife's mobile. Paid the amount and asked for the Bill, The shopkeeper just gave me a paper with amount written on his cheap letter head, which was not having any details about sale-tax number etc. when I asked for a proper bill, he simply said "No, we cannot give Bills for recharge coupons." This was a surprise to me. I always used to get proper bills whereever I used to recharge my cell. This shopkeeper was so reluctant to give the bill that he even asked me to return the coupon and purchase from somewhere else. Is there a way to teach a lesson to these kind of people who always try to get away with bill etc. Is there a "Greivence cell" in bangalore who can take a complaint against these kind of people and act upon. Thanks in advance. GD
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14th November 2007, 21:35	#2
Nitin Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,294 Thanked: 20 Times View My Garage	Thats wierd. There's something fishy there. Correct me if I'm wrong,but isn't it a rule that every item sold from a shop/store had/should be accounted for?So issuing a receipt is necessary. If the owner was trying to get away with any kind of tax payments,he ought to be taken to task. Does this qualify as some type of fraudulence? Does the Lok Ayuktha deal with such issues? I remember something like this happening many years ago, when my dad & I went to buy some things from a hardware shop.The guy flatly refused to give a receipt, though we'd bought stuff worth Rs 200. I could have imagined not being issued a receipt for something under Rs 10-15. Last edited by Nitin : 14th November 2007 at 21:39.
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14th November 2007, 23:27	#3
FERRO BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Mumbai Posts: 313 Thanked: 2 Times	Most general stores (90% baniya marwadis) getaway with cheap paper bill no matter which item u buy whether it costs 10rs or 1000rs they never pay taxes
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14th November 2007, 23:38	#5
wolfinstein BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 994 Thanked: 20 Times	I think with a Recharge voucher, the bill is generally not needed since the Tax is already paid and accounted for, Not seen anyone issuing a bill for it- Even when you do a E-charge or Direct Debit Charge for Ebanking, You still don't recieve it. However with everyother good, A bill should be issued. After all Tax collection fuel the development of the Country.
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15th November 2007, 00:57	#8
Nitin Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,294 Thanked: 20 Times View My Garage	If you buy something from a reliable & well known shop,its quite normal to expect a receipt.If its from some dingy place in some market,then its absolutely ok to buy something without a bill/receipt. Eitherways,the only way a receipt comes in handy,is if something goes wrong with the purchased item,and some sort of compensation/replacement is needed.
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15th November 2007, 10:03	#11
amohit BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 456 Thanked: 55 Times	Wasnt VAT supposed to solve this problem??
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15th November 2007, 11:58	#13
anuragn BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Navi Mumbai Posts: 192 Thanked: 51 Times	Agreed that all taxes are already included in the MRP. But the problem in case of recharge vouchers is that the commission that the shopkeeper earns is "his" income and by not giving receipt, he saves "his" income tax.
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15th November 2007, 12:06	#14
amohit BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 456 Thanked: 55 Times	no i meant wasnt VAT suppose to solve the problem of saving sales tax by not generating bills.
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