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Originally Posted by ValarMorghulis
(Post 5665817)
Well, your three best batsmen ought to be part of the squad!
Heck, would this even be a question had India won the WC? :Shockked: |
Even if we won the WC, Kohli and Rahul should be kept away from T20I forever. Rohit was also a part of the gang to be kept out but his attacking approach in ODI merits him a chance in T20I setup once again, and one last chance to win a WC as captain of the side.
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Originally Posted by ValarMorghulis
(Post 5665817)
Well, your three best batsmen ought to be part of the squad!
Heck, would this even be a question had India won the WC? :Shockked: |
Yes it would. There should be no place for Virat Kohli or KL Rahul in the T20 squad. Freak innings aside, neither batsmen has it to play a power hitting game on a regular basis. Especially Rahul. Virat is an accumulator, not a hitter. His game makes perfect sense in the longer formats, but he no longer seems to be able to strike above 100-120 runs per 100 balls. This is where Rohit Sharma has been different. He has taken the initiative to take the attack to the bowlers at the start, with consistent success. He still warrants his place in the T20 team as the opener on merit.
Players who can actually play all three formats are extremely rare. Kohli was there pre 2018. Dhoni was there at his peak. Names like AB De Villiers also come to mind. From the current lot from India, on current form, only Rohit Sharma makes the cut in my book.
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Originally Posted by Eddy
(Post 5665252)
Sanju Samson not a part of the T20I side? What's happening? |
The T20 world cup season and preparation is getting started. It'll be safe to assume that Sanju will be featured in ODI's only in coming days (if at all he gets a chance) :D
Being said that, Sanju didn't cash in on the chances he got in T20's. Playing in one direction (read attack every ball) will not work always.
In ODI's he may be averaging 50+, but there's never been a memorable innings which resulted in team's win I guess.
I also used to root for Sanju, but I have to say that he has to make a B-I-G impact in domestic / IPL, if at all he have to get a chance in national team. Also he have to cash in big time to cement his place.
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Originally Posted by harry10
(Post 5665828)
Rohit and KL aren't our best Batsman in T20 since sometime. Please look for previous matches since last 2 years in t20 regarding their performances. Kohli has been good no doubt since that Pakistan game in t20 World cup and his inclusion will be on merit.... |
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Originally Posted by AtheK
(Post 5665829)
Even if we won the WC, Kohli and Rahul should be kept away from T20I forever. Rohit ...his attacking approach in ODI merits him a chance in T20I setup once again, and one last chance to win a WC as captain of the side. |
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Originally Posted by Shreyans_Jain
(Post 5665833)
...There should be no place for Virat Kohli or KL Rahul in the T20 squad. Freak innings aside, neither batsmen has it to play a power hitting game on a regular basis. Especially Rahul. Virat is an accumulator, not a hitter...This is where Rohit Sharma has been different. He has taken the initiative to take the attack to the bowlers at the start... |
Guys, I understand your emotions. But do you see this is not so black and white? Three vehement reactions and pretty different.
1. Kohli was the highest run getter in T20 WC 2022 with the most impact (avg 98.7, SR 136.4). Surely, he warrants selection.
2. Rohit is being considered because "his fast approach in ODI WC merits his selection". Surely, he knows enough cricket to play fast-
er in T20s.
3. By the same logic KL just scored the fastest ODI WC century in history. If Rohit does, surely KL warrants a place as well?
That said, I'm sure none of the three are getting dropped.
Mark.my.words. Unless their form in IPL is disastrous.
IPL 2024 is concluding just before T20 WC and I'm sure it'll be the direct benchmark to gauge many players.
PS: Rohit's T20 record outside India is pretty average and the lowest among the three. Kohli has the
highest average and SR, even better than KL.
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Originally Posted by ValarMorghulis
(Post 5665880)
That said, I'm sure none of the three are getting dropped. Mark.my.words. Unless their form in IPL is disastrous.
IPL 2024 is concluding just before T20 WC and I'm sure it'll be the direct benchmark to gauge many players. |
And we will loose T20I world cup not even making it to final, Mark my words.
Kohli takes time to get started and with 120 balls that is a luxury we can't afford anymore, we need players to go all out ball one. Kohli was out of contention anyway so was Rohit with Hardik getting ready to be the captain. Both of them being a part of T20I team is just regressive and then again, they will probably make it.
Kohli, Rohit and Rahul shouldn't play together in T20Is. In IPL, they appear for their respective franchises, and play similar anchoring roles by opening first. But in T20Is, we have sufficient bench strength and different variety of players to try out and groom for the future. Also, we need couple of left hander batsmen in the top 6, who can roll their arms for 2-3 overs. Missing Yuvraj & Raina who would have fitted this role perfectly.
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Originally Posted by ValarMorghulis
(Post 5665880)
Guys, I understand your emotions. But do you see this is not so black and white? Three vehement reactions and pretty different.
1. Kohli was the highest run getter in T20 WC 2022 with the most impact (avg 98.7, SR 136.4). Surely, he warrants selection.
2. Rohit is being considered because "his fast approach in ODI WC merits his selection". Surely, he knows enough cricket to play fast-er in T20s.
3. By the same logic KL just scored the fastest ODI WC century in history. If Rohit does, surely KL warrants a place as well?
That said, I'm sure none of the three are getting dropped. Mark.my.words. Unless their form in IPL is disastrous.
IPL 2024 is concluding just before T20 WC and I'm sure it'll be the direct benchmark to gauge many players.
PS: Rohit's T20 record outside India is pretty average and the lowest among the three. Kohli has the highest average and SR, even better than KL. |
Like I said in my comment before Kohli should be selected on Merit. I understand he performed really well last t20 world cup and he has been good since then. But, till when we will keep playing him in all formats. He is a man, not machine who can perform his best in all formats and play IPL too. Obviously some or other format he will fail. If he has 3-4 years cricket left in him we should play him In tests and Odis and leave t20s to young guns. Didn't Dhoni and his young guns won us 2007 world cup when all seniors opted out of tournament.
Rohit has been failing since long in t20s. He failed in this year IPL too. Just because he gave starts in ODI world cup shouldn't mean he will magically do same in t20. Likewise KL making a 100 ball 60 runs in an ODI doesn't means he is fit for tests cricket too. Stop mixing formats. Play guys who are suited for specific formats. Rohit has done well in odis and tests as opener. Continue that as long as it's feasible. Leave t20 opening to guys like Yashasvi or Gill or ruturaj or anyone else. The same guys haven't been able to lift a single trophy for last 10 years so let some new guys do the job. Who knows they may succeed because of no baggage and less expectations.
Having said all of that, I am 100% sure I will see all 3 of them playing in t20 World cup barring any injury. Like I said only money matters in Indian cricket at the end of the day.
Also, if I am selector I won't play KL in any format. He has never ever performed in a single knockout or a do or die match when India needed him the most. The guy has all the shots in cricket but mental toughness of a 10 year old when big stage comes. Never seen a professional player becoming so bad on the big stage. I just don't get his game. He should only play IPL and stay happy.
I understand I'm preaching against the sentiment here but hear me out.
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Originally Posted by AtheK
(Post 5665885)
And we will loose T20I world cup not even making it to final, Mark my words... |
We'll make it to the semi-final for sure rl:
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Originally Posted by Suifuto
(Post 5665934)
...But in T20Is, we have sufficient bench strength and different variety of players to try out ... |
Trying new players and experimentation happens in other tournaments not in WCs. That aside, who do you think can replace Rohit, Kohli and KL in the team?
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Originally Posted by harry10
(Post 5665968)
Like I said in my comment before Kohli should be selected on Merit...
Rohit has been failing since long in t20s. ...Likewise KL making a 100 ball 60 runs in an ODI doesn't means he is fit for tests cricket too... |
I'm sure these guys will be selected based on how they perform in the IPL.
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Originally Posted by harry10
(Post 5665968)
...Leave t20 opening to guys like Yashasvi or Gill or ruturaj or anyone else... |
Didn't Gill just fail in the most important inning?
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Originally Posted by harry10
(Post 5665968)
...Leave t20 opening to guys like Yashasvi or Gill or ruturaj or anyone else... |
Do you remember any inning of note performed by Rituraj or Yashashvi in the international scene?
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Originally Posted by harry10
(Post 5665968)
...Having said all of that, I am 100% sure I will see all 3 of them playing in t20 World cup barring any injury. Like I said only money matters in Indian cricket at the end of the day... |
I think that boils down to talent. I understand everyone wants Rohit, Kohli and KL's head for the final debacle, but these guys (ok, may be not KL) are still the top of the ladder in terms of talent and capability.
Rohit has already communicated to the selectors that he is is fine with not being considered for T20Is.
I like the way this current Gen-X stars leave cricket and give way to the young fresh blood, unlike earlier when they dragged thier last playing years before they were asked to Quit.
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Originally Posted by ValarMorghulis
(Post 5665880)
Kohli was the highest run getter in T20 WC 2022 with the most impact (avg 98.7, SR 136.4). Surely, he warrants selection. |
In the T20 setup, I feel SKY at no.3 & Tikal Verma at no.4 have sort of fixed their spots in the Team! So where do you fit Virat in the XI ? Gill, Yashasvi Jaiswal, Ishan Kishan (declining form), Ruturaj are fighting for the openers slot. The reason Team India & Kohli did well in that WT20 in Australia was due to the pitch conditions. They hardly ever play cricket in those months & pitch conditions were challenging which automatically helped our team since we cannot play at the same tempo like England.
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Rohit is being considered because "his fast approach in ODI WC merits his selection". Surely, he knows enough cricket to play fast-er in T20s.
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Rohit ideally should retire from T20s, but he won't due to IPL & MI franchisee. We cannot keep having the same players everywhere & every format. He should stick to ODIs & Tests.
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By the same logic KL just scored the fastest ODI WC century in history. If Rohit does, surely KL warrants a place as well?
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KL should be kept far away from the T20 setup! But I believe he'll make a comeback for the SA Test Series.
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IPL 2024 is concluding just before T20 WC and I'm sure it'll be the direct benchmark to gauge many players.
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All the more reason to have very very low expectations for the T20 WC. Players will be exhausted after IPL. All the more reason to not consider Senior Players. Wonder how the designated T20 Captain will manage his fragile body!
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Originally Posted by ValarMorghulis
(Post 5666102)
Trying new players and experimentation happens in other tournaments not in WCs. That aside, who do you think can replace Rohit, Kohli and KL in the team? I'm sure these guys will be selected based on how they perform in the IPL. |
Who's talking of experimenting in WC? Team only plays 11 International T20s before the WT20 in June!
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Didn't Gill just fail in the most important inning?
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Wasn't it in the ODI format, which is completely different from T20s.
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Do you remember any inning of note performed by Rituraj or Yashashvi in the international scene?
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They first need to be given adequate chances. Which they cannot possibly get if you keep playing Rohit,Virat & KL in T20s!
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I think that boils down to talent. I understand everyone wants Rohit, Kohli and KL's head for the final debacle, but these guys (ok, may be not KL) are still the top of the ladder in terms of talent and capability.
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Nobody is doubting their talent. But in T20 different skill sets are required. And one definitely doesn't look at averages to see how good a player is. Its the Strike Rate which matters in T20. 20 runs in 8 balls would be making a far bigger impact than 40 runs in 30 balls.
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Originally Posted by ValarMorghulis
(Post 5666102)
I understand I'm preaching against the sentiment here but hear me out.
Nobody is doubting their talent. But in T20 different skill sets are required. And one definitely doesn't look at averages to see how good a player is. Its the Strike Rate which matters in T20. 20 runs in 8 balls would be making a far bigger impact than 40 runs in 30 balls. |
Well, you have echoed my sentiments more or less.
I have mentioned Gill and Ruturaj name in T20 which on second thoughts isn't correct. There game and style is more suited for ODI and tests. In T20 we need openers who can play with a SR of 150+ in power play. Someone who can strike from first over itself.
Anyways let's come back to this discussion after Australia series. Let's see who performs in what way and then can we can discuss about this.
Edit- just saw this -
Well, boards looking to mint money through mindless cricket should ponder upon this. Not even a week has passed when Australia became the world champion after a month and a half of cricketing battles- and now we have T-20 starting today. What message are the organisers trying to send out? Or we need to understand that Cricket is no more a sport- just a form of entertainment like WWE.
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Originally Posted by saket77
(Post 5667098)
...Or we need to understand that Cricket is no more a sport- just a form of entertainment like WWE. |
If you consider that all matches are fixed and events are scripted (like one of my friends does), then by all means think of it as WWE.
PS: The entire stadium for today's T20 match is sold out today. I don't know what to make of it.
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Originally Posted by ValarMorghulis
(Post 5667103)
If you consider that all matches are fixed and events are scripted (like one of my friends does), then, by all means, think of it as WWE. |
The day I find Cricket being scripted like WWE, I will stop watching.
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PS: The entire stadium for today's T20 match is sold out today. I don't know what to make of it.
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I am watching the game on TV. Why shouldn't the folks in Vizag town visit the stadium for the match?
Valar Dohaeris
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Originally Posted by ValarMorghulis
(Post 5667103)
If you consider that all matches are fixed and events are scripted (like one of my friends does), then by all means think of it as WWE. |
Wow! Read my own post once over to check where did it infer as such. Long drawn conclusion, sadly not a great one.
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