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Originally Posted by asr245 I had ABS kick in my City after I had to brake hard from a speed of 30-35kmph. I felt it kick in (on my feet) just before the vehicle came ot a halt |
Try the same at 120 and you will feel the difference (both intensity and time duration).
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Originally Posted by cranky If he had been within limits ABS would not have even kicked in. |
What's with you and the speed limits and ABS?
ABS kicks in when :
1. There is relative speed difference after braking
2. There is sudden deceleration due to braking (not gradual).
This has nothing to do with speed!
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Originally Posted by moralfibre Hey Keyur, first of all, great gesture of stopping by to help the victims. Just yesterday we had a thread on "The Good Samaritan" here.. You make an entry in there. |
Hey moral, thanks for the suggestion, but I would like to refrain from that. I had posted my help sequence just as a description of the events in the order in which they happened - never even realized or expected it to be noticed - that's something which is expected of everyone, and I have done nothing great, so I will let it be at that.
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Originally Posted by parik_ind I am just trying to imagine what would have happened if this was a non ABS vehicle and the driver continued to stand on the brakes as he swerved. |
I think the driver would probably have controlled it. The driver had been with the owner since quite some time and was experienced. I am not denying driver error in initiating the accident - but the sudden panic due to the ABS was not something his reflexes were trained to!
He probably would have pumped the brakes or turned in the direction of the skid.
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Originally Posted by vnabhi In the accident above, even in a non-ABS car it would have happened, as the driver would have lost control of the steering and perhaps hit the railing at a higher speed.
It appears both airbags were deployed. So if the owner had taken his seatbelt off, how did that one go off? |
The airbags in the captiva deploy by themselves.
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Originally Posted by carfreak77 Also, why in the world was he swerving at 120+ in a tall SUV. |
I am very sure he was not doing it for fun. Even I have faced instances where you see (or you feel that you have seen) some obstacle / ditch / idiot on the road and suddenly do a stupid maneuver.
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Originally Posted by arun_josie What kind of test was it to get used to ABS? Can you please share?
For quite some time I am thinking to test ABS in my car but not sure on what kind of road, speed the test should be performed. |
We did this testing on an open ground (stadium near where we stay). The ground has soil and gravel.
To test it, we drove at varying speeds, and braked (gradually to hard). The ABS kicking in does shudder much harder at higher speeds than at lower speeds - at 30-35, it will not create a panic - but at around 100, the feeling is prominent - heck, I was wary even after doing it 2-3 times.
But again, in nearly all cases, ABS kicked in when we braked hard suddenly, and hardly for the gradual braking. We even tried this in my non-ABS Optra on the same ground, and pumping the brakes worked fine enough.
I am not against ABS, but I bought my non-ABS vehicle strictly because I did not want ABS - I like the occasional drift, and braking is not an issue.
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The tyres marks make it look like , it was being driven by one of those nut case drivers who try to overtake with all 4 beyond the yellow line demarcation on the expressway . [/quote]
The accident area goes much beyond the tyre marks - It starts from farther up. It was a bit confusing to draw the exact conclusions considering that the vehicle had hit BOTH the edges of the road!
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Originally Posted by GTO The driver's story is incomplete, and has too many loopholes.
In all likelihood, he was doing 140ish, and saw something at the nth moment (a car? a pedestrian? a rock?). Swerved + braked really hard to avoid impact, which led to a complete loss of control.
@ Keyur : You are a hero to stop, help and use first-aid on the injured. Thanks for setting an example for the rest of us. |
I tried asking details, but I can't blame the driver for not realizing what exactly happened - he was completely shaken up. I am surprised that he remembered even as much!
I mentioned 120 because the owner had also said that they were at 120 or so and he had asked his driver to reduce the speed. I too reached the same conclusion that probably the driver saw something at the last moment and in the attempt to avoid it, panicked, braked hard and swerved, then panicked again and tumbled.
About the hero thing - I would respectfully disagree - there is nothing great about what I did, and it is just plain human. There were a few others too who did the same - never occurred to me to do otherwise.